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Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on April 06, 2017, 10:02:37 AMIt's an age thing for sure though like M Dogg said. I'm just a little younger and would've been 11 or 12 but I remember. LA was all Raiders, and I never even really knew anyone who was a Rams fan. It was like the Lakers and Clippers (obviously before when the Lakers sucked and the Clips got good), if that analogy explains anything. I would have loved for the Raiders to come back instead of either team. But I wasn't a Rams fan when they were in LA before, and I gave them a shot but couldn't get into them.Dogg brings up a good point about how much the Raiders were a part of the culture here, especially in the streets. I remember how at school, they used to send us home with letters to our parents saying that they discouraged wearing Raiders stuff.see, but how u guna tell me what i feel about something? that's what fucks me up bout people.. i'll repeat it again, i was a die hard laker fan in 94-95 and i woulda been devastated had they left LA .. i simply didn't care about football as much back then. if i liked football as much as i liked basketball, i woulda been following the raiders. but i didn't. it's a preference thing..take it from the man himself.
It's an age thing for sure though like M Dogg said. I'm just a little younger and would've been 11 or 12 but I remember. LA was all Raiders, and I never even really knew anyone who was a Rams fan. It was like the Lakers and Clippers (obviously before when the Lakers sucked and the Clips got good), if that analogy explains anything. I would have loved for the Raiders to come back instead of either team. But I wasn't a Rams fan when they were in LA before, and I gave them a shot but couldn't get into them.Dogg brings up a good point about how much the Raiders were a part of the culture here, especially in the streets. I remember how at school, they used to send us home with letters to our parents saying that they discouraged wearing Raiders stuff.
Quote from: Sccit on April 06, 2017, 10:38:46 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on April 06, 2017, 10:23:25 AMI will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it. you might have a point .. basketball is the superior sport and much more appealing to the eye. anybody can watch it. football, u gotta really get into. And that's a point that can't be argued. My 3 year old LOVES basketball. He was watching the NCAA tournament with me, sat there like it was a cartoon. He watches it with more attention than Disney... LOL And I'm not even lying on that.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on April 06, 2017, 10:23:25 AMI will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it. you might have a point .. basketball is the superior sport and much more appealing to the eye. anybody can watch it. football, u gotta really get into.
I will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it.
Quote from: Sccit on April 06, 2017, 10:15:42 AMQuote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on April 06, 2017, 10:02:37 AMIt's an age thing for sure though like M Dogg said. I'm just a little younger and would've been 11 or 12 but I remember. LA was all Raiders, and I never even really knew anyone who was a Rams fan. It was like the Lakers and Clippers (obviously before when the Lakers sucked and the Clips got good), if that analogy explains anything. I would have loved for the Raiders to come back instead of either team. But I wasn't a Rams fan when they were in LA before, and I gave them a shot but couldn't get into them.Dogg brings up a good point about how much the Raiders were a part of the culture here, especially in the streets. I remember how at school, they used to send us home with letters to our parents saying that they discouraged wearing Raiders stuff.see, but how u guna tell me what i feel about something? that's what fucks me up bout people.. i'll repeat it again, i was a die hard laker fan in 94-95 and i woulda been devastated had they left LA .. i simply didn't care about football as much back then. if i liked football as much as i liked basketball, i woulda been following the raiders. but i didn't. it's a preference thing..take it from the man himself. I don't believe I commented on how you feel or should feel. I just agreed with M Dogg. I understood the loyalty to the Raiders because I remember it and was into football at that age.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on April 06, 2017, 10:41:19 AMQuote from: Sccit on April 06, 2017, 10:38:46 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on April 06, 2017, 10:23:25 AMI will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it. you might have a point .. basketball is the superior sport and much more appealing to the eye. anybody can watch it. football, u gotta really get into. And that's a point that can't be argued. My 3 year old LOVES basketball. He was watching the NCAA tournament with me, sat there like it was a cartoon. He watches it with more attention than Disney... LOL And I'm not even lying on that. yup .. it's why i still don't really relate to football that much, even though i follow the sport and watched most rams games this year
Quote from: Sccit on April 06, 2017, 11:38:06 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on April 06, 2017, 10:41:19 AMQuote from: Sccit on April 06, 2017, 10:38:46 AMQuote from: M Dogg™ on April 06, 2017, 10:23:25 AMI will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it. you might have a point .. basketball is the superior sport and much more appealing to the eye. anybody can watch it. football, u gotta really get into. And that's a point that can't be argued. My 3 year old LOVES basketball. He was watching the NCAA tournament with me, sat there like it was a cartoon. He watches it with more attention than Disney... LOL And I'm not even lying on that. yup .. it's why i still don't really relate to football that much, even though i follow the sport and watched most rams games this year I think that's why our opinions differ, and M Dogg kind of touched on it in his post after yours. This isn't a criticism of you at all, but we just have different involvement with football. I always liked the sport and watched it from a young age -- my brother and I both played it for a year (but we're just not the typical football size so heart can only get you so far) and REALLY liked the Raiders when we were younger. So it was more about the team, more than the city. So that's likely why the Raiders still had such a strong fan base out of SoCal even when they moved up north (and soon to Vegas), and even after a 20+ year drought without an NFL team, locals haven't been as enthusiastic about the Rams, especially when a lot of them didn't care for them when they were in St. Louis, let alone when they were in LA the first time. Out of my friends in this area who have season tickets, most of them are originally from out of state. Like I said, I gave them a shot, having gone to their training camp as well as the one for their rookies (which was at that same facility in Oxnard) but I can't seem to embrace them. And it's not out of loyalty for another team, I'd just feel fake about it if I did it after all these years of not giving a shit about them. They weren't my team when I was younger, so I'm not going to pretend to be excited.
Again, I think it's an age thing. Not saying that you're too young or that you'll understand it in five years, but it's really just different eras.You said it yourself -- you didn't get into football until much later in life while also confirming that basketball is easier to get into, especially for casual fans. Football tends to be for a more dedicated fan -- not saying that a sport like basketball doesn't have dedicated fans (because they do), but you'll see a different proportion of casual fans. So that's probably why you don't see a shit ton of people rushing to Rams games, as big of a football market as LA is. People were loyal to the teams of yesteryear, more so than whatever team shows up and plants their flag. It would've been a waaaay different story if it had been the Raiders coming back, for reasons M Dogg and I have mentioned.But it's not totally unheard of for people to root for teams that aren't local, particularly if it's one that is such a powerhouse -- look at the Bulls in the '90s. Yes, I liked the Lakers because they were local (but also my older brother loved them and so did my parents), but I was ALWAYS a Michael Jordan fan, and my family was too. So yeah, we rocked with the Bulls, and so did a lot of other people. It wasn't just Bloods wearing Bulls in the '90s, it was a lot of people, but obviously it was mostly for MJ and not necessarily the Bulls as an organization, but one comes with the other. And it's not like Shaq and/or Kobe didn't have fans in other cities but rocked the Lakers gear.But that's the thing -- usually that out-of-state love for another team is usually based on that person appreciating a certain player, more so than liking that team over their own based off of the team's merits.
But it's easy to say that because you never had to see it happen. You never had to see your team move to another city, or your favorite player move to another team. So you have the convenience of not having had to face that dilemma, and it gives you the luxury of being able to say, you were loyal to this team, or you only liked Kobe because he was a Laker, but claim that you wouldn't "fux wit him like that" if he went to another team. We actually had to deal with that.The reality is that anyone can spin anything to fit their narrative, and anyone can find a counterargument to why someone liking any given team for whatever reason is bogus. Just like how you can say you think it's "groupiesque" to like a team because of a certain player, you could say that liking a team because your older family members did is because you fell in line and didn't make your own decision by picking your own team, almost like going to the same college that all of your family members went to or that all of your friends are going to.I've never claimed to be a die-hard fan of any NFL team, I just like certain ones but don't pretend to be hardcore into them. But that's why I like college football a little more, and it tends to generate more loyalty among fans. Since it's a school, it's staying put and not going anywhere. Transfers can happen, but players usually don't (unless they're further down the depth chart and want playing time elsewhere but those guys typically aren't generating headlines), so rosters generally don't change too much (or create a reason to sway fans elsewhere). Players will put in their 3+ years, then move onto the next level if they're good enough, then there's new blood.Just my opinion though. Obviously ours differ but it's all good.
Why you gotta make shit sound gay? Nobody has a "thing" for players, people appreciate athletes for their abilities, even in a team sport. Hence why the sports section regularly engages in top 5/10/20 NBA players of all time, and very rarely do those discussions revolve around what teams those players were on.