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I mostly watched Tyson fights and Holyfield fights, till their careers fizzled. But later on I watched Fernando Vargas too since I was from Oxnard. I loved how he wasn't a punk and didn't sell out (and that was a big contrast between him and Oscar) but then he got shut up by Trinidad and then Oscar, and never quite recovered his career after that, especially since he got caught with some PEDs in his system, plus I remember around that time he caught some assault charges for a fight he got into in Santa Barbara or something.
But isn't Holyfield a good amount older than Tyson? Tyson at his prime would've also meant we'd see a younger Holyfield too. It's like saying Floyd didn't fight Manny at his prime -- which is true -- but with Floyd being older than Manny, we'd have seen a slightly fresher Floyd too.
Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on April 26, 2017, 09:29:10 AMI mostly watched Tyson fights and Holyfield fights, till their careers fizzled. But later on I watched Fernando Vargas too since I was from Oxnard. I loved how he wasn't a punk and didn't sell out (and that was a big contrast between him and Oscar) but then he got shut up by Trinidad and then Oscar, and never quite recovered his career after that, especially since he got caught with some PEDs in his system, plus I remember around that time he caught some assault charges for a fight he got into in Santa Barbara or something.I don't know a lot about Vargas, I was really only into the heavyweight division.As for Holyfield, he was a really great fighter, very spiritual man. He didn't appear in the ring as a killer--he was all heart. He even quickly forgave Tyson for the ear biting incidents and his bouts with Riddick Bowe were classic. Maybe he lacked a bit of charisma in comparison to other 90s boxers like the afformentioned Tyson, Lewis-- or also Tommy Morrison or George Foreman--who can forget when foreman knocked out Michael Moore in an epic upset by an aged warrior. Moore was trained by tysons old trainer Atlas and you could even hear Atlas reminding Moore not to be baited into that punch but Foreman won the match with one good punch!!
Really? I never heard about them working together, or even being on good terms. I remember recently watching an Oscar interview on YouTube (not sure when it was recorded but it was likely within the past couple of years) where he said he asked Vargas to meet up for lunch just to kind of make sure there weren't any issues, and they did meet up but Vargas didn't seem too interested in being buddy-buddy. Obviously they don't hate each other (at least not anymore) but I don't see them working together like that.But yeah, Oscar kicked his ass in that fight, and it was definitely one of Oscar's best victories. But that was the start of Vargas's fall, since he seemed to get his ass kicked by everyone else after that too. When Mayorga beats you, then you need to quit the sport.
holyfield woulda gotten shitted on if he fought tyson in his prime
With Oscar, I feel like after his wins over JCC, he lost to every elite fighter with a name... Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Floyd and Manny. Yeah, it's a good list and better than losing to bums, but it affects how I viewed the later half of his career. Had I not grown up in Oxnard, I probably wouldn't have cared about Vargas, so as satisfying of a win as that was for Oscar and his fans, it really wasn't anything too crazy since it's not like Vargas running the 154 division.
Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on May 03, 2017, 12:01:03 PMWith Oscar, I feel like after his wins over JCC, he lost to every elite fighter with a name... Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Floyd and Manny. Yeah, it's a good list and better than losing to bums, but it affects how I viewed the later half of his career. Had I not grown up in Oxnard, I probably wouldn't have cared about Vargas, so as satisfying of a win as that was for Oscar and his fans, it really wasn't anything too crazy since it's not like Vargas running the 154 division.There are 2 phases to Oscar's career, ducking people and getting all the wins possible and building your name, then fighting all the best fighters and making all the money possible. Oscar DID beat Felix, don't be lied to, but the others, yeah, they fucked him up. Mosley's fight at Staples, I remember that like it's yesterday. Once Oscar got his name out there, he'd fight a rabbit pitbull if the payday was right, as obvious by fight B Hop. He cashed in on his name, got his ass whooped but still sold a lot of PPV's. But was about that money. After all, what good is your name if you don't cash in.