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DeeezNuuuts83:
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--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on June 13, 2017, 07:22:12 AM ---Also, don't put a GOAT next to LeBron when you have MJ at 41ppg, 8rpg, and 6apg.
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If I was you champ, I'd probably steer far, far away from statistics & just ride or die the idiotic 6/6 argument with the rest of the sheep.
Couple years, no statistic will be in Jordan's favor.
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But 6/6 is a pretty nice statistic, one that I don't think anyone else looks capable of beating.
Lebron's great but he's no goat, and still isn't there yet. This past finals further strengthened that argument.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on June 14, 2017, 11:31:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 13, 2017, 02:18:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on June 13, 2017, 07:22:12 AM ---Also, don't put a GOAT next to LeBron when you have MJ at 41ppg, 8rpg, and 6apg.
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If I was you champ, I'd probably steer far, far away from statistics & just ride or die the idiotic 6/6 argument with the rest of the sheep.
Couple years, no statistic will be in Jordan's favor.
--- End quote ---
But 6/6 is a pretty nice statistic, one that I don't think anyone else looks capable of beating.
Lebron's great but he's no goat, and still isn't there yet. This past finals further strengthened that argument.
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Russell's 11 titles in 13 years though is pretty good with 11 of 12 in the NBA Finals.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on June 14, 2017, 11:31:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 13, 2017, 02:18:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on June 13, 2017, 07:22:12 AM ---Also, don't put a GOAT next to LeBron when you have MJ at 41ppg, 8rpg, and 6apg.
--- End quote ---
If I was you champ, I'd probably steer far, far away from statistics & just ride or die the idiotic 6/6 argument with the rest of the sheep.
Couple years, no statistic will be in Jordan's favor.
--- End quote ---
But 6/6 is a pretty nice statistic, one that I don't think anyone else looks capable of beating.
Lebron's great but he's no goat, and still isn't there yet. This past finals further strengthened that argument.
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It's actually insane lol. I get MDogg is just riding the "I'm a Laker fan...I just care about them so I'll take the rings" copout; but what it really means is you think MJ not being good enough without help to get through the Celtics or Pistons in the late 80's is more impressive than 22 year old LeBron single handedly beating the Pistons in '07 & then losing to a team three times better in the Spurs in the Finals.
All the things left in Jordan's corner is "6/6", "pure scorer", "killer instinct", "ultimate competitor" & a couple other intangible phrases that don't speak to who is clearly a better basketball player.
Face the reality of the sheer hatred of LeBron, Finals record has never been a thing. I remember after Kobe won his 4th title he was 4-2 & the only conversation was "if he gets to 6, is he better than MJ?". There was no reference of losing. MJ has & will likely have more accolades, but a simple unbiased eye test shows the better all around basketball player. You can give MJ the "heart of a warrior" accolade lol.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 14, 2017, 04:37:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on June 14, 2017, 11:31:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 13, 2017, 02:18:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on June 13, 2017, 07:22:12 AM ---Also, don't put a GOAT next to LeBron when you have MJ at 41ppg, 8rpg, and 6apg.
--- End quote ---
If I was you champ, I'd probably steer far, far away from statistics & just ride or die the idiotic 6/6 argument with the rest of the sheep.
Couple years, no statistic will be in Jordan's favor.
--- End quote ---
But 6/6 is a pretty nice statistic, one that I don't think anyone else looks capable of beating.
Lebron's great but he's no goat, and still isn't there yet. This past finals further strengthened that argument.
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It's actually insane lol. I get MDogg is just riding the "I'm a Laker fan...I just care about them so I'll take the rings" copout; but what it really means is you think MJ not being good enough without help to get through the Celtics or Pistons in the late 80's is more impressive than 22 year old LeBron single handedly beating the Pistons in '07 & then losing to a team three times better in the Spurs in the Finals.
All the things left in Jordan's corner is "6/6", "pure scorer", "killer instinct", "ultimate competitor" & a couple other intangible phrases that don't speak to who is clearly a better basketball player.
Face the reality of the sheer hatred of LeBron, Finals record has never been a thing. I remember after Kobe won his 4th title he was 4-2 & the only conversation was "if he gets to 6, is he better than MJ?". There was no reference of losing. MJ has & will likely have more accolades, but a simple unbiased eye test shows the better all around basketball player. You can give MJ the "heart of a warrior" accolade lol.
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My stance is not a copout. If you remember, Sccit tried to revoke my Laker fan card for not saying Kobe didn't have help well LeBron was showered with help.
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 11, 2013, 01:27:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 11, 2013, 10:05:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 10, 2013, 12:37:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 10, 2013, 11:41:47 AM ---lmao@the 2011 team bein the same as this one...
i love how mdogg just tries to explain what happened in this proffessing way, like he knows what the fuck he's talkin about.
good shit, my dude. at least u give an honest effort...but ur usually wrong or inaccurate when remembering the past LOL.
truth be told, ur goin in circles...i already acknowledged lebron havin the best season in basketball this year. but u fail to acknowledge my point that his team got better, which is indisputably a luxury...if u cant admit this, i have nothing else to say.
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But you make it seem like the team discredits LeBron. It doesn't. The 2011 Miami Heat were Mario Chalmers, Wade, LeBron, Bosh and Joel Anthony with Ilgauskas, Udonis Haslem, James Jones, Miller and Bibby off the bench. The 2012 team was Chalmers, Wade, LeBron, Battier and Bosh with Miller, James Jones, Udonis Haslem, Norris Cole and Turiaf off the bench. You basically had the same team, other than moving Bosh to center, signing Battier and moving Anthony down the bench. That's no different than when Lakers got back Bynum from injury, they moved Odom to the bench and Gasol to PF, and then the Lakers won the 2009 NBA title. Does that mean Kobe was to be discredited?
NIK, just face it, you are getting on LeBron for doing exactly what the Lakers did for Kobe to win in 2009. Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, Trevor Ariza, Pau Gasol and in 2009 a healthy Andrew Bynum with Lamar Odom off the bench with Shannon Brown.
Let's break it down like this. Who would you rather have as your starting 5:
Lakers:
Farmar
Brown
Walton
Odom
Mbenga
Heat:
Norris Cole
Mike Miller
James Jones
Udonis Haslem
Ronny Turiaf
Those are the benches for two championship teams. And that's why they win titles, because there is talent even on the bench. So don't discredit LeBron for the season he had or the team around him. Last time I checked, the Lakers had an All-Star on the bench when they won in 2009 and 2010 where as LeBron didn't.
Case close, not only admit LeBron is the best today, but give the man his due. He took so much shit for so long for not winning, let's give him credit for winning. Is that too hard to ask?
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you're not a laker fan....
for u to compare the way lebron got with wade and bosh to form an all-star team to our management making trades and using draft picks to obtain gasol and bynum is really quite sad. ur card has officially been revoked.
and we also never had an all-star on the bench....i think the m in your name might be for misinformation lmao
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HAHAHAHA... You, revoke my card... HAHAHAHAHA
No, the difference is, I AM A LAKER FAN. You are a Kobe Stan. There is a BIG difference. I would rather have the Lakers have a deep line up with many future hall of famers and win. You'd rather Kobe go 5 on 1 every play and score just so you can talk about his greatness. And there is nothing wrong with super teams. The Lakers have had super teams many, many times.
West, Baylor, Chamberlain and Goodrich, all hall of famers
Magic, Worthy and Kareem, all hall of famers
Dude, face it, the Lakers are basketball's version of the Yankees. And you know what, I LOVE IT. I love that that Lakers can be deep and build super teams and win 16 titles. Because you don't get 16 titles without having a super team or two.
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I can give a fuck who's the greatest off all time. You want to crown LeBron, go for it. I'll tell you this, he's the greatest ATHLETE I've even seen on the basketball court. Never seen anything like him, and I enjoy watching him play. My two sons are split on over who's better, one loves LeBron the other Steph. I don't tell them who to root for, who I think is better, I want then to pick their own sides.
With all that said, I still don't think LeBron is the greatest PLAYER I've ever seen. His foot work is sloppy, he doesn't have that drive that I've seen from Kobe, from Jordan to win, and he just always feels like the big dragon at the end of the year that gets slayed on someone else's storybook ending. Like comparing Jordan to LeBron, Jordan would NEVER lose to the Mavs. That right there took out LeBron from any argument from me. You talk about LeBron in the NBA Finals at 22, so was Kobe. It's a different league than it was in the 80's when Jordan came in. Jordan still scored 63 points against one of the greatest, hardest hitting defenses of all time in the Boston Celtics. I've watched a lot of basketball. LeBron is something I've never seen before, but great is not what sticks out to me. I heard someone make a great point. LeBron is this era's Wilt Chamberlain. Wilt was the most dominate player of his era, and no one could touch him. But a small, more competitive Bill Russell always seem to find a way to beat him every year. Even when Wilt went to form a Super Team with Baylor, West and Goodrich in LA, they still lost to Russell's Celtics. That's LeBron. Even when he forms a Super Team, they don't always win. If he didn't lost to Dallas, or that to San Antonio, had those been wins, I think it's a completely different conversation. But those loses are there and they taint his legacy. I'm not even putting these last two loses against the Warriors up there. But the loses to the Spurs and Mavs are what get me. And you can't use the underdog argument LeBron fans love, Jordan was an underdog against the Jazz the second time, AND the Suns. Still overcame those odds.
Sccit:
smfh triple doubles mean next to nothing in today's day n age
russell westbrook averaged an even more impressive triple double in these playoffs n he got straight trashed for it
ur worse than brian windhorst bruh
new article explaining the place of the superteam hoppin, 3/8 stat padder comin soon
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