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Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 14, 2017, 04:37:01 PMFace the reality of the sheer hatred of LeBron, Finals record has never been a thing. I remember after Kobe won his 4th title he was 4-2 & the only conversation was "if he gets to 6, is he better than MJ?". There was no reference of losing. MJ has & will likely have more accolades, but a simple unbiased eye test shows the better all around basketball player. You can give MJ the "heart of a warrior" accolade lol.But Kobe still won another one after that. But he didn't get to six, and the conversation was never brought up after that. Again, even if he got to six, it wouldn't mean that he matched or surpassed Jordan in terms of greatness, it just brings up the conversation and invites the debate. In this day and age, I don't expect people to go undefeated in championship appearances to consider them in contention for being the greatest, but just have a favorable record at least. Look at Tom Brady, him going 5-2 in the Super Bowl plays a huge role in that discussion. Change that to 4-3, and it weakens the argument a lot.Again, stats are great because they are objective, but they don't mean as much as you want them to. And personally when those kinds of stats are brought up, unless it's brought up to debunk false information, if it's all that's being mentioned, it's what losers bring up. Yes, Lebron averaging a triple-double through the finals is an amazing stat. But in the end, does that matter that much? Do you think he would have been fine not average a triple-double if it meant that he made some changes to his game that would have resulted in the Cavs winning? I would think so. I'm sure Westbrook is thrilled with having set the record for triple-doubles during the season, but I don't think he finds a lot of comfort in that after losing to the Rockets, just like how the Warriors' 73-9 season last year lost a lot of relevance after they didn't win.
Face the reality of the sheer hatred of LeBron, Finals record has never been a thing. I remember after Kobe won his 4th title he was 4-2 & the only conversation was "if he gets to 6, is he better than MJ?". There was no reference of losing. MJ has & will likely have more accolades, but a simple unbiased eye test shows the better all around basketball player. You can give MJ the "heart of a warrior" accolade lol.
Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on June 18, 2017, 12:35:54 AMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on June 14, 2017, 04:37:01 PMFace the reality of the sheer hatred of LeBron, Finals record has never been a thing. I remember after Kobe won his 4th title he was 4-2 & the only conversation was "if he gets to 6, is he better than MJ?". There was no reference of losing. MJ has & will likely have more accolades, but a simple unbiased eye test shows the better all around basketball player. You can give MJ the "heart of a warrior" accolade lol.But Kobe still won another one after that. But he didn't get to six, and the conversation was never brought up after that. Again, even if he got to six, it wouldn't mean that he matched or surpassed Jordan in terms of greatness, it just brings up the conversation and invites the debate. In this day and age, I don't expect people to go undefeated in championship appearances to consider them in contention for being the greatest, but just have a favorable record at least. Look at Tom Brady, him going 5-2 in the Super Bowl plays a huge role in that discussion. Change that to 4-3, and it weakens the argument a lot.Again, stats are great because they are objective, but they don't mean as much as you want them to. And personally when those kinds of stats are brought up, unless it's brought up to debunk false information, if it's all that's being mentioned, it's what losers bring up. Yes, Lebron averaging a triple-double through the finals is an amazing stat. But in the end, does that matter that much? Do you think he would have been fine not average a triple-double if it meant that he made some changes to his game that would have resulted in the Cavs winning? I would think so. I'm sure Westbrook is thrilled with having set the record for triple-doubles during the season, but I don't think he finds a lot of comfort in that after losing to the Rockets, just like how the Warriors' 73-9 season last year lost a lot of relevance after they didn't win.Your top argument is Finals record...a stat.You bottom argument says stats don't matter lol. You just happened to say Finals record is the "all telling stat", which is idiotic lol. You can't control the league & who is in it. Nobody was beating this years Warriors team. He wasn't beating the Spurs in '07. The Mavericks was embarrassing, I'll admit that, but last year was more impressive than anything Kobe did on the back of Shaq or MJ not winning until everyone in the league was old & he had the best roster in the league.Again, you're saying making the Finals is a strike against him. That's dumb. So 3-0 & loses to the Pistons in '07, loses to Derrick Rose in 2011, or the Raptors in 2015? The Indiana Pacers knock him out in the first round this year...we're applauding that? That would help his legacy is what you're telling me. Some people get lucky in life. The Warriors don't team up like this, he wins this year, probably next year & that changes the course of his legacy. So if you factor in that luck of your competition around you, all you have is stats. People used stats up until he made his 7th straight Finals. Because we only exclude the stats he owns everyone else in. It's actually insane to me his haters have stooped to the point they disregard averaging a triple double for an entire Finals on 56% shooting. Like it shows he's been so absurdly dominate to levels we've never seen before that averaging that for a series "isn't special". It's almost the norm. Wild.But it's alright, you guys did this. Now if the Warriors stay together & win 5 straight they're gonna question is KD is better than MJ. & only a moron would say KD is better than Kobe, let alone LeBron & MJ. Steph becomes the greatest point guard of all-time. Then you guys will change up your act & make a new argument where rings don't matter anymore lol. You'll go back to "what's his career shooting percentage?" lmao. It's so corny.
I looked at the wrong stat for 3 point %. It was his 4 years in Miami, my b.& lmao @ pretty much saying "MJ & Kobe were jacking 3 pointers while double teamed". Great argument.
I think it's just silly when the competition is surreal compared to what MJ or Kobe saw.Then on the flip side, he would get hammered if the GS died in a plane crash, he went to LA with PG, beat the Spurs in the WCF & then beat the Washington Wizards 4-0 because "Washington isn't good".He either has to beat the greatest team of all-time, something neither Kobe or MJ did or the team he does beat "sucks".