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Quote from: Sccit on July 10, 2018, 08:34:55 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on July 10, 2018, 04:18:50 PMYeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaqkill yaselfHehehe... As an overall player, career wise, LeBron is better. As for Cham, let's keep it 💯, LeBron should have been 4-0 in Miami. They were favorite against Dallas and true greats overcome the odds, especially against a team they already beat.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on July 10, 2018, 04:18:50 PMYeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaqkill yaself
Yeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on July 10, 2018, 08:38:17 PMQuote from: Sccit on July 10, 2018, 08:34:55 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on July 10, 2018, 04:18:50 PMYeah, you right. LeBron is a better player. Only difference was that Shaq was younger.smh @ 34 year old lebron who only plays 1 side of the ball being better than prime shaqkill yaselfHehehe... As an overall player, career wise, LeBron is better. As for Cham, let's keep it 💯, LeBron should have been 4-0 in Miami. They were favorite against Dallas and true greats overcome the odds, especially against a team they already beat.That's such a silly remark from a Laker's fan. According to Vegas, the 04 Lakers were 4.5x more of a favorite than 2011 Miami. I'll admit it was hands down his worst Finals.But losing to Detroit in '04 was waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger a upset. But because a 3peat happened prior to that it's okay? The order in which you win titles vs get upset cancels out the blemish?
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 10, 2018, 09:43:56 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on July 10, 2018, 09:07:26 PMhe was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.Heart of a gladiator.If you watched the series, there was nothing Kobe could do. Shaq was being guarded one on one by Elden fucking Campbell, and Campbell stopped Shaq, freeing Ben Wallace to stop an injured Malone, and in game one, the team not named Kobe or Shaq scored 16 total. Most players like Bryron Russell and Gary Peyton were washed up and Devon George and Derek Fisher shit the bed. By singling Shaq, the Pistons shut out all Lakers but Kobe.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on July 10, 2018, 09:07:26 PMhe was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.Heart of a gladiator.
he was bitter from the trail, so he said fuck it and the Lakers lost.
But let's keep it real, Shaq was fine on offense, but he should have ATE the Pistons alive. I'm a Shaq guy, and after that series I realized Shaq didn't have it anymore. He was lazy on defense, Campbell was able to guard him one on one and we couldn't get the triangle going because of that.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on July 11, 2018, 03:46:02 AMBut let's keep it real, Shaq was fine on offense, but he should have ATE the Pistons alive. I'm a Shaq guy, and after that series I realized Shaq didn't have it anymore. He was lazy on defense, Campbell was able to guard him one on one and we couldn't get the triangle going because of that.yea, he was obviously outa shape at that point .. the entire team was in shambles, whereas 2011 was 100% on lebron.
The Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 11, 2018, 06:35:35 PMThe Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.Vegas numbers are wrong when the gamblers don't adjust to changes. The reason the Lakers were favorite in 2004 was because the idea of Payton, Malone, Kobe and Shaq was too great for betters. Add Fisher's .4 shot and the Lakers seemed destined to win again. They were a proven commodity with Kobe and Shaq, gamblers would take that bet 10 times out of 10. They didn't factor that the average age was 29 years old, Shaq, who's only 31 at the time, was breaking down, Payton at 35 couldn't guard Chauncey fucking Billups, and Devon George was getting abused by Tayshaun Prince, and Wallace who was defensive player of the year, easily stopped and injured 40 year old Malone. Vegas didn't look at everything closely, they just saw Kobe and Shaq and though, well they'll win easily. In 2011, Vegas didn't flock to Miami because two reasons. Dallas was hot and it wasn't out the realm to think they could upset Miami. And two, and most importantly, LeBron and Bosh were not proven winners yet. They never won anything, and in the series that fear is exactly what happened, LeBron shit his pants under the pressure, and he was the 3rd best scorer and he was struggling again Shawn Marion. I mean, come on. In one finals, it's basically Kobe vs 4 Pistons, as Shaq and Campbell battled to a sort of stalemate. In the other Finals, it's 4 on 5 as LeBron shit his pants and crapped his bed. Look, I like Lebron. I am happy as hell he's a Laker. I want to see him win us a title, and I want Kawhi to come home to play with the KING. But LeBron in Miami has to be the most disappointing player in NBA history. In 2011, he cost his team the title, and in 2014 when Wade was starting to break down, he couldn't pick up the slack needed to win and he left to the younger Cleveland team. His 2011 and 2014 runs are the most disappointing runs in the NBA history, and I don't think anyone can argue that.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on July 12, 2018, 01:29:19 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 11, 2018, 06:35:35 PMThe Lakers were the biggest favorites this this year's Warrior team to beat LeBron & a bunch of nobody's.Clearly a bigger upset. Vegas numbers don't lie. LeBron was as much of a favorite to win as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics in 2010.I know you'll change it up, but it'll be the dumbest thing you ever did if you try to denounce Vegas odds, like Vegas is in the business of losing money.Vegas numbers are hands down the most unbiased conversation in all of sports.Vegas numbers are wrong when the gamblers don't adjust to changes. The reason the Lakers were favorite in 2004 was because the idea of Payton, Malone, Kobe and Shaq was too great for betters. Add Fisher's .4 shot and the Lakers seemed destined to win again. They were a proven commodity with Kobe and Shaq, gamblers would take that bet 10 times out of 10. They didn't factor that the average age was 29 years old, Shaq, who's only 31 at the time, was breaking down, Payton at 35 couldn't guard Chauncey fucking Billups, and Devon George was getting abused by Tayshaun Prince, and Wallace who was defensive player of the year, easily stopped and injured 40 year old Malone. Vegas didn't look at everything closely, they just saw Kobe and Shaq and though, well they'll win easily. In 2011, Vegas didn't flock to Miami because two reasons. Dallas was hot and it wasn't out the realm to think they could upset Miami. And two, and most importantly, LeBron and Bosh were not proven winners yet. They never won anything, and in the series that fear is exactly what happened, LeBron shit his pants under the pressure, and he was the 3rd best scorer and he was struggling again Shawn Marion. I mean, come on. In one finals, it's basically Kobe vs 4 Pistons, as Shaq and Campbell battled to a sort of stalemate. In the other Finals, it's 4 on 5 as LeBron shit his pants and crapped his bed. Look, I like Lebron. I am happy as hell he's a Laker. I want to see him win us a title, and I want Kawhi to come home to play with the KING. But LeBron in Miami has to be the most disappointing player in NBA history. In 2011, he cost his team the title, and in 2014 when Wade was starting to break down, he couldn't pick up the slack needed to win and he left to the younger Cleveland team. His 2011 and 2014 runs are the most disappointing runs in the NBA history, and I don't think anyone can argue that.he doesn’t know how vegas lines work lolit’s based on what the public bets, they find a median based on wagers placed. he’s bringing up fishers .4 shot when it didn’t even lead to a title .. and robert horrys three as if it saved a kobe chokejob ala ray allen for lebron. the only thing that saddens me is that cham roots for an individual above a team .. shits suspect. like, he’s actually a sixers fan (bet u didn’t known that), but he rather follow lebron around wherever he goes. scust.
You're a moron lmfao. They adjust the line based on what the public bets. They open the line based on what is most likely going to happen & how they can get even money on both sides to take the vig.NIK heavy deflecting. The Lakers go on to lose both series without both Fish & Horry's shot. It's virtually identical. Allen hitting a 3 is just another failed anti-LeBron argument.Like if you used the ever lacking common sense. Shaq's help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*100 million more*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*keyboard breaks, buys new keyboard, resumes*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*25 billion more*>>> Fisher & Horry's shots = Allen's shot.So to discredit anything LeBron because of a teammate finally helping him just shows how much far greater LeBron is than Kobe based on his 3 years of second fiddle.