SNOOP DOGG - MISSIONARY (Official Discussion)

[haliaeetus albicilla]

I got a feeling Detox is still coming.
All those old dope (but a little monotonous) piano skeletons with newly added percussion and ICU layers/effects, Horns and guitars.
Only thing is Dre has to find the right ghostwriter and i think smitty might be suited for it.

[mtbsm]

Most of the track on both Compton and Missionary were better than most of Detox leaks other than T.I joints (Topless, Popped off etc) and maybe Get It

"creative or mindblowing" lmao as if we haven't heard Chillin, Flashin', Under Pressure, Turn me up and all that other uninspired wack shit with Nate Dogg impersonators on the hooks

His 2006-2009 Detox sessions were the greatest thing ever, judging by the beats than ended up on Snoop, Em and Busta albums, but the leaks from that era were definitely not it. I remember when Under Pressure leaked, that was the moment when people went from "When will Detox come out" to "Is Detox gonna be good?"

100% agree

[mtbsm]

the best Detox tracks never leaked and weren't produced by Khalil.

there's the Slim The Mobster myspace clip (not the one below where he's in the studio) which included a clip of piano beat blazing through the corridor, this sort of thing.

also the anecdotes about the 'best beat ever' created in early 2009 produced by Elizondo & Batson. these are the ones going on Detox we never heard.

the prime era for Detox seems to be around the time Dre was fucking with Slim The Mobster. the Psycho beat was dope too, this is more like the 2001 sound updated and incredibly dope.

thought i had heard all the detox lore, first hearing of the best beat ever talk..

was that in some interview?

[Matty]

thought i had heard all the detox lore, first hearing of the best beat ever talk..

was that in some interview?

there used to be an insider that posted on another forum back in the day, a legit insider who had pictures in the studio and was clearly there through the Detox sessions. here is what they said at the time:

'JANUARY/FEBRUARY 09 The greatest beat EVER (mark my words) has just been made. The banger's banger. Everybody is voiceless. (will it be on Detox?) Man, I hope so. The elephants are in the room right now. It's like "replay.... replay.... once again..." x100. (later post) It's gonna be on Detox for sure. Which MC will be able to handle this beat? That's the question... How could I describe it....? I can simply say that is 1000 times better of everything i've heard in my life. Fuck all the haters who've said Aftermath is done. F*ck all those haters who've said this album will disappoint. Game over. Hey I guess I've just found the title of the track.(confirms that it will be called Game Over) Lol, even Bitches On My Dick (a bishop track) looks like a big bag of crap right now (no offence to bishop). Damn, Bitches on my dick has an awesome beat, but this...For the first time, Dre is smiling (Joker mode, fo real) "What can I say? What can I do?" (what can this track be compared to?) It depends on the style (soulfull, banger, etc). But this... this surpasses everything.'

commentary on it including reference to other posts:

'A real source "scarves" says that DRE+ELIZONDO+BATSON just made the greatest beat ever a few days ago !!!
'the most recent pages going on about some recently made beat which is apparently incredible and better than anything before, the ultimate banger. it will definitely be on detox, blew out some of the speakers in the studio and even dre is completely chuffed with it'

at the time there was a picture posted of Dre/Elizondo/Batson in the studio and referred to as the true 'three headed monster'. i really hope we hear it one day, chances are it was on the Detox that almost came out as Slim The Mobster said we never heard any of the true 'woah' level tracks.

[goodyoung]

And how did Dre repay T.I.?

Gave him RED leftover lol

[haliaeetus albicilla]

I swear it feels like this guy just saying all that shit for attention at this point lol
Most of the track on both Compton and Missionary were better than most of Detox leaks other than T.I joints (Topless, Popped off etc) and maybe Get It

"creative or mindblowing" lmao as if we haven't heard Chillin, Flashin', Under Pressure, Turn me up and all that other uninspired wack shit with Nate Dogg impersonators on the hooks

His 2006-2009 Detox sessions were the greatest thing ever, judging by the beats than ended up on Snoop, Em and Busta albums, but the leaks from that era were definitely not it. I remember when Under Pressure leaked, that was the moment when people went from "When will Detox come out" to "Is Detox gonna be good?"

The first leak of under pressure was horrible. But the beat in that hp commercial sounds ill.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=awIRXQth1r4?si=oBY38qkFnLs2NGJR

[jerseymike]

look .. the detox sessions kill the joints on missionary

but what joints from the detox leaks do u consider better than 2001? LOL

i dont rate 2001 highly, aside from still dre, watcher and the message, the album is pretty boring. all the detox leaks are x100 better but i prefer mid 2000s evolved dre over the boomer raps on 2001.

[jerseymike]

I swear it feels like this guy just saying all that shit for attention at this point lol
Most of the track on both Compton and Missionary were better than most of Detox leaks other than T.I joints (Topless, Popped off etc) and maybe Get It

"creative or mindblowing" lmao as if we haven't heard Chillin, Flashin', Under Pressure, Turn me up and all that other uninspired wack shit with Nate Dogg impersonators on the hooks

His 2006-2009 Detox sessions were the greatest thing ever, judging by the beats than ended up on Snoop, Em and Busta albums, but the leaks from that era were definitely not it. I remember when Under Pressure leaked, that was the moment when people went from "When will Detox come out" to "Is Detox gonna be good?"

sly is a fire writer and wrote some insane shit for detox, hes not a nate dogg impersonator at all, thats just a weak excuse to diss him. yall judging leftover leaks when nothing real has ever leaked. all the leaks as they are right now are all 10/10 before comparing them to actual detox songs. all 10s right now but only a 6/10 compared to real shit, thats how fire detox was. yall just been fed alot of bad and wrong info over the years and its ruined yall perception of how incredible detox was. maybe some day yall will get a chance to hear some of the real shit, surprised a bunch of them havent leaked cuz people have had them since 2007.

[jerseymike]

thought i had heard all the detox lore, first hearing of the best beat ever talk..

was that in some interview?

real detox lore was on early twitter and ustream back in the day. no one ever saw them cuz it was only told to certain people and stream links were sent to a select few. khalil had the best beats, not elizondo and batson lmao, they had fire stuff but it wasnt in the best category. khalil, just blaze, dawaun parker, jake one and few others had THE best stuff.

[Sccit]

real detox lore was on early twitter and ustream back in the day. no one ever saw them cuz it was only told to certain people and stream links were sent to a select few. khalil had the best beats, not elizondo and batson lmao, they had fire stuff but it wasnt in the best category. khalil, just blaze, dawaun parker, jake one and few others had THE best stuff.

[WCThang]

Pretty sure Dre recorded a record wish Andre 3000 and Amy Winehouse for Detox. That woulda been crazy.

[Safe+Sound]

As bad as some people are saying Missionary is, have a look at the amount of views and replies this thread has in comparison to Ice Cube and Kendrick Lamar. Obviously, it's biased because this forum is primarily for fans of the 90s but pricing this in, the amount of talk around Missionary is substantial. Also, the controversy of opinion is part of what can (and in most instances does) popularize art - in some cases making it iconic. Just an observation.

I really take no issue with those who don't care for the album. It's simply not for you. Admittedly, it isn't even the record I wanted from them as I've explained before. But stepping over my own wants, I think the record is undeniably masterful for what it is, which is honestly much bigger than what I want. So as a fan who would like to see these two succeed at keeping the west on the map paired with tastes in music that extends beyond the 90s in all directions - even it that means I don't get the record I want personally - I can look beyond my own nose.

That's not to say I offer blind support. I did not like the Compton record at all. It had no replay value for me. I've listened to Missionary 8 times straight through since its release. I haven't done that with a record in this genre for quite a while (or even with this artist quite frankly), which I think speaks for itself in terms of how I feel about the album. I'm always rooting for these two and I keep an open mind to their creative angles, but if I do not understand a record in terms of what it's trying to accomplish, I have no problem saying so. That's not to say I cannot appreciate things I don't necessarily like. I don't like Eminem but talent is talent. The man has it and I understand his philosophy. But the Compton record just wasn't cohesive to me - in every aspect despite the musical talent involved in making it. However I will say that sonically, it's exceptional. I may not like what I'm hearing in terms of content or arrangement but the sound quality itself is stunning.

To me, Missionary has a clear direction and message as a complete body of work. When the singles dropped, I didn't understand what that direction and message was - it had been too long and the pieces to the puzzle were jumbled and out of order. But once the complete record dropped and I listened to it in its entirety, everything became immediately clear. Missionary is grown up. It even makes the older material sound even older, which I think is part of the main point of this album: Evolution. With evolution, we see something different but familiar. Certain recognizable traits from the past that are part of the core but accompanied by newer aspects that are required if survival is the goal. I think this album struck a very good balance between old and new in ways I hadn't thought of and wasn't expecting. You know exactly who you're listening to but everything around it is largely different. The record doesn't get to far away from you though - certain familiar sounds sprinkled throughout remind me of the record I wanted without actually giving it to me. The lyrics do this too in tandem. That's a brilliant way to make use of an open mind and keep the listener engaged and intrigued - it's a musical way of asking for trust and holding the listener's hand through something new. Ultimately, the final decision is the listener's but this clever method scores major points and gets the listener through the record without just shutting it off or skipping around a lot. That technique alone - whether you like the record or not - is a sort of genius that helps make any record that employs it demand respect. And part of any great work of art is respect.

Just my two cents.

[AftermathBeats]

The album doesn't go that bad, top 10 Billboard charts reached, last album 15 years ago. 12.24.2024

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/snoop-dogg-missionary-top-10-debut-billboard-charts-1235865112/

[Sccit]

The album doesn't go that bad, top 10 Billboard charts reached, last album 15 years ago. 12.24.2024

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/snoop-dogg-missionary-top-10-debut-billboard-charts-1235865112/

r&b & hip-hop charts

20 on the main charts

[AftermathBeats]

r&b & hip-hop charts

20 on the main charts

Then it's still good for Snoop, take a look at the top 20 what society hears today. #1 Stray Kids lol