SNOOP DOGG - MISSIONARY (Official Discussion)

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

Another fact: Snoop's regular adlibs are nowhere to be found on this album

[The Predator]

[OG Snoopaveli]

What is your top 3 Snoops album?

Solo studio album

1. Doggystyle
2. Doggfather
3. Tha Last Meal

[Krull2025]

The WHOLE instrumental have to go, the "hey ya" part is so annoying.
The hook is also terrible so that got to go as well.

[Soopafly DPGC]

lol

it doesn’t need to sound like his old music to be as good as his old music

this is not as good as his old music…and is no where close tbh.

is it bad music? no… but to answer your question, no, i don’t think current dre could produce something as good as doggystyle. he doesn’t have the hunger and youthful energy to make something as organically dope. he’s overthinking the production, which is why it sounds far more contrived. does the aneurism factor into this? maybe, maybe not.. but the fact remains, dre is out of his prime, and there’s no shame in that. he’s still the goat, by far.

Then it just boils down to personal preference again.  I've seen just as many like the album and not like it.  And the majority who don't like it are the old schoolers who expected it to sound like 93 Doggystyle. 

G-Funk was new in 93, other than Big Hutch and ATL, not many were doing it.  Dre took a chance on a new sound and it caught on and did well for a number of years.  He's trying to create a new sound now and hopes it catches on and usher in a new era.  Doesn't look like it's going to catch on.  But you can't blame Dre for doing the exact same thing he did in 93 as far as trying to introduce a new sound.  Like i said, he could very easily make an album that sounds like 93 Gfunk....hell he probably has a ton of unreleased instrumentals he made back in 93-96 that he could have had Snoop rap over.  This was a conscious decision and Dre took a chance.  At his and Snoop's age and levels of success, they can afford to take those chances.  It isn't that Dre "fell off", he wants to try new things.

Same reason Andre 3000 isn't rapping anymore.  He grew tired of it, after 30+years of rapping, he wants to try something else in life, kudos for that.  Same with Dre.  He wants to experiment, try new things, new sounds, etc.  He does care about sales other than as far as Interscope and Iovine goes, but i really don't think Dre cares at this stage if a bunch of dudes stuck in 96 like the album or not (and i'm one of those dudes stuck in 96).  He didn't make the album for us. 

[Sccit]

Then it just boils down to personal preference again.  I've seen just as many like the album and not like it.  And the majority who don't like it are the old schoolers who expected it to sound like 93 Doggystyle. 

G-Funk was new in 93, other than Big Hutch and ATL, not many were doing it.  Dre took a chance on a new sound and it caught on and did well for a number of years.  He's trying to create a new sound now and hopes it catches on and usher in a new era.  Doesn't look like it's going to catch on.  But you can't blame Dre for doing the exact same thing he did in 93 as far as trying to introduce a new sound.  Like i said, he could very easily make an album that sounds like 93 Gfunk....hell he probably has a ton of unreleased instrumentals he made back in 93-96 that he could have had Snoop rap over.  This was a conscious decision and Dre took a chance.  At his and Snoop's age and levels of success, they can afford to take those chances.  It isn't that Dre "fell off", he wants to try new things.

Same reason Andre 3000 isn't rapping anymore.  He grew tired of it, after 30+years of rapping, he wants to try something else in life, kudos for that.  Same with Dre.  He wants to experiment, try new things, new sounds, etc.  He does care about sales other than as far as Interscope and Iovine goes, but i really don't think Dre cares at this stage if a bunch of dudes stuck in 96 like the album or not (and i'm one of those dudes stuck in 96).  He didn't make the album for us.

again, i’m not talking about type of sound.. i’m talking about level of production. like many pointed out, a lot of the stuff he’s doing now sounds like just blaze.. and i’ll take it a step further n say just blaze did it better. so to sit here n say that just blaze music > dr dre music is a testament of the LEVEL in production, not the type of sound. i don’t care if it’s g-funk, rock, jazz or whatever… this music is GOOD not GREAT, which is a fall off for Dre no matter how u slice it

and again, i’m the biggest dre apologist here.. i’ve spent years going to battle against weirdos who claimed he had ghost producers, or cats who claim he steals credit etc….there is no one ever who has been close to peak dre in hip-hop.

but this album, g-funk or not, isn’t up to the dre standard QUALITYwise. not stylewise.

[Sccit]

Solo studio album

1. Doggystyle
2. Doggfather
3. Tha Last Meal

exactly

4.Top Dogg
5.BCT

[jman91331]

again, i’m not talking about type of sound.. i’m talking about level of production. like many pointed out, a lot of the stuff he’s doing now sounds like just blaze.. and i’ll take it a step further n say just blaze did it better. so to sit here n say that just blaze music > dr dre music is a testament of the LEVEL in production, not the type of sound. i don’t care if it’s g-funk, rock, jazz or whatever… this music is GOOD not GREAT, which is a fall off for Dre no matter how u slice it

and again, i’m the biggest dre apologist here.. i’ve spent years going to battle against weirdos who claimed he had ghost producers, or cats who claim he steals credit etc….there is no one ever who has been close to peak dre in hip-hop.

but this album, g-funk or not, isn’t up to the dre standard QUALITYwise. not stylewise.

Imo the production QUALITY is same as it always been, its the STYLE of production it seems people are not feeling. The clarity, the attention to detail, the laws, the vocal production, all that is still there, it's that it's not Doggystyle (which is dumb that people would expect another Doggystyle after 31 years) that threw people off. I appreciate the album myself for what it is.

[Eddz]

I have Missionary over TBCT.

TBCT starts off strong but has way too much filler, Missionary has no fillers and flows from start to finish (bit short though).

[WCThang]

1. Doggystyle
2. Last Meal
3. Top Dogg
4. BCT
5. Missionary

[OG Snoopaveli]

Solo studio album

1. Doggystyle
2. Doggfather
3. Tha Last Meal
4. No Limit Top Dogg
5. Tha Blue Carpet
6. Paid Tha Coast 2 Be Da Boss
7. Ego Trippin
8. R&G
9. B.O.D.R
10. Da Game is to be Sold
11. Malice n Wonderland
12. Bush
13. Doggumentary
14. I wanna Thank Me
15. Missionary
16. Coolaid
17. Snoop Lion
18. Neva Left
19. 220
20. Make America Crip Again

[Rubenowski]

1. Doggystyle
2. Tha Last Meal
3. No Limit Top Dogg
4. Tha Doggfather
5. Paid Tha Cost
6. Missionary
7. TBCT
8. Game is to be sold
9. R&G

Everything after those nine albums start to feel samey to me and really no need to rank them in order for myself.

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

1. Doggystyle
2. Tha Last Meal
3. Tha Doggfather
4. Tha Blue Carpet Treatment ( still annoyed that "Look Around and "Long Gone" didn't make the final cut)
5. R&G
6. Top Dogg
7. Paid da cost to be da Boss
8. BUSH
9. Missionary
10. Doggumentary
11. REINCARNATED
12. Da Game is to be...

I consider the rest of those albums mixtapes

[Sccit]

Imo the production QUALITY is same as it always been, its the STYLE of production it seems people are not feeling. The clarity, the attention to detail, the laws, the vocal production, all that is still there, it's that it's not Doggystyle (which is dumb that people would expect another Doggystyle after 31 years) that threw people off. I appreciate the album myself for what it is.

i disagree

sonically, it sounds very thin compared to his prime work .. vocally, the verses sound far more contrived, as if a lot of it was copy and pasted + punched in far less seamlessly in order to achieve a specific sound. the layering is as great as its always been, but it lacks the simplicity and cohesiveness of his earlier work, so it doesn’t blend in as effortlessly.

again, none of this has to do with the style of music.. it’s more so the production techniques that used to separate him from the pack that are now missing.

[Sccit]

Solo studio album

1. Doggystyle
2. Doggfather
3. Tha Last Meal
4. No Limit Top Dogg
5. Tha Blue Carpet
6. Paid Tha Coast 2 Be Da Boss
7. Ego Trippin
8. R&G
9. B.O.D.R
10. Da Game is to be Sold
11. Malice n Wonderland
12. Bush
13. Doggumentary
14. I wanna Thank Me
15. Missionary
16. Coolaid
17. Snoop Lion
18. Neva Left
19. 220
20. Make America Crip Again

CLASSIX:
1.DOGGYSTYLE

NEAR CLASSIX:
2.THA DOGGFATHER
3.THA LAST MEAL
4.TOP DOGG
5.THE HARD WAY (WIT 213)
6.BLUE CARPET TREATMENT
7.THE LOST SESSIONS

GREAT:
8.7 DAYS OF FUNK
9.R&G
10.PAID DA COST
11.SMOKEFEST
12.DEAD MAN WALKIN

DOPE:
13.COOLAID
14.I WANNA THANK ME
15.BODR
16.MISSIONARY
17.EGO TRIPPIN
18.NEVA LEFT
19.CUZZNZ (WIT DAZ)

SOLID:
20.DA GAME IS TO BE SOLD
21.BUSH
22.DOGGUMENTARY
23.MAC & DEVIN
24.220
25.MAKE AMERICA CRIP AGAIN
26.REINCARNATED
27.MALICE N WONDERLAND
28.MORE MALICE
29.STONERS
30.BIBLE OF LOVE