EMINEM - RELAPSE (Official Discussion)

[Sccit]

Alot of people on here saying this album is better than Encore.  I actually think Encore was better.  Because "Beautiful" is a great song, but no better then "Mockingbird".   And "3AM" is dope but no better than "Evil Deeds".  "Crack A Bottle" is decent but not much better than "Never Enough".  And "Old Times Sake" is okay but I think "Encore" feat. Dre and 50 was alot better.  And there's no song on here that's as good as "We As Americuns" (although that track was only on the bonus disc.

So I don't see how this is really any better than Encore.

^^ even back then you were complaining about people liking it


 

[TraceOneInfinite]

Any of you fools sayin Dre fell off can fuck off after this. It's nothing insane (maybe 1 or 2 were), but it kills 95% of the beats i heard in a long time. Em on the other hand wasn't that bad on some of em, SOME of em.

Here, this cat says Eminem was only good on some of the joints on the album.

The only problem with this album is Eminem's sudden lack of content.  The beats are insane, the flow is still sick (aside from the accent).  Content never used to be a problem for him.  After 8 Mile told his story, he had nothing left to say.

He should of rapped about Proof, I thought Proof's death would give his music some content.

Gee.. I'm sure in a lot of posts for a guy that wasn't there and wasn't listening to music at the time.  Hmmm

^for real, where the fuck is my Proof tribute

A lot of headz complaining about the lack of Proof content.  Eminem always rapped about the shit he was going through, then his best friend in rap dies and he has no reflection on this topic for the album?

The album got some dope beats, but like Infinite said it's like Eminem don't have anything to say. Gotta bump it again though, i just quickly listened through it.

Ooohh lookie there, OkKa agrees with Infinite.

My problem with the album is that there are no song on this album where em sounds hungry and spits with emphasis and emotion. Thats wen em is at his best.

folks complaining about Em's lack of hunger

not bads, i'd  give it a 3.5-4 outta 5, it's like "kingdom come" type of feel in a way....kinda expecting more outta this album with the hype it got. dre couldve done a better job on beats. they're solid but doesnt have that knockout standout feel to it. proof that "The Documentary" is the last album where we'll hear Classic/Top Notch Dre production.... Dre get back with Game and produce some real HEAT. fuck workin with 5.0. what we gon get another average track like "i get it in?"

^^This cat apparantly agrees with Jay about the production

Alot of people on here saying this album is better than Encore.  I actually think Encore was better.  Because "Beautiful" is a great song, but no better then "Mockingbird".   And "3AM" is dope but no better than "Evil Deeds".  "Crack A Bottle" is decent but not much better than "Never Enough".  And "Old Times Sake" is okay but I think "Encore" feat. Dre and 50 was alot better.  And there's no song on here that's as good as "We As Americuns" (although that track was only on the bonus disc.

So I don't see how this is really any better than Encore.

I said it then, and I will say it again now.  I like Encore and Recovery better than Relapse.  That's my SUBJECTIVE opinion.  I'm doing the research now to see if that is also the case objectively as well.  So far, most people though are saying that Relapse is better than Encore, but the first half of Encore is dope, and Eminem just unfortunately lost focus after a second half of tracks had to be recorded to make up for the leak.

^actually yes, Encore is a better album.

Dope, I'll mark Lunatic down as another one who agrees it's not even as good as Encore.

1. Intro - Good opener. Gives the album a "dark tone" to begin. I like it.
2. 3 AM - Simple beat, but I like it. Real cinematic, horror like; fits the concept pretty well. Lyrics are for the most part, on point. Accent gets annoying at times, but gets more and more tolerable with each listen. The beat fitting the concept so well is the overall highlight of this track. I've liked this track more and more with each listen. - 4/5

3. My Mom - Loving the horns on the beat. Dr. Dre did his thing on here. The chorus is absolute crap though, extremely, BEYOND annoying. The accent is fucking terrible on here. Cool subject matter, he's been there, done that though. The beat is oh so hot though. This track got worse with a 2nd listen though. Gets a pass for the beat - 2.5/5
4. Insane - cool beat. Cool/weird subject matter, fucked up with the stepfather rape. Gets annoying at times. Avg track, not as annoying as "My Mom" though. - 2.75/5

5. Bagpipes from Baghdad - Experimental beat imo. it's pretty cool. Very annoying song though; so bad. Lol at the Nick Cannon line though. - 2/5
6. Hello - Simple beat, but average imo. Wack hook. Wack delivery. - 2.25/5
7. Tonya - N/A

8. Same Song & Dance - Ok beat. Ok concept, terrible delivery of ideas. Just awful. Such a bad song overall. - 2/5
9. We Made You - Typical Eminem first single. We've all heard it. - 1/5

10. Medicine Ball - I like this beat. The accent ruins it though. Makes it very annoying. Ironic hook, yes I do hate this   - 2.25/5
11. Paul - N/A, but fucking hilarious
12. Stay Wide Awake - I really like this beat, SO DOPE. The hook is real good as well. Accent is gay and fuck on this. Lyrics are on point. - 3.5/5
13. Old Time's Sake  - Simple beat, but again, I really like it. The accent isn't as bad, but the hook in his normal voice is better. I like Dre's parts. - 4/5

14. Must Be The Ganja - As Meho said, vintage Snoop/50 beat. Judging off "I Get High" or "Smoke Some Weed", this would still be better for Lloyd Banks or Ice Cube. The beat is cool like that. Don't like what Em did with it at all though. Not as bad as some of the other cuts on this album though. - 3/5
15. Mr. Mathers - N/A
16. Deja Vu - Great beat, great hook. Definitely one of the best tracks on the album. - 4/5

17. Beautiful - The one moment on the album of the of the best of Eminem, and surprisingly, it's the 1 beat Dre didn't do. But Dre's beats are great on this, this song is best b/c of Em's performance being easily, his best on the entire album. - 5/5
18. Crack a Bottle - Always liked this beat. Don't like the hook at all. Em's verse is cool. Dre murders this shit. 50's singing is ok, not bad as some said. - 3.5/5
19. Steve Berman Skit - N/A

20. Underground - Grimey beat. Vintage Eminem on this one. Good way to end the album. - 5/5

Awful album.

Oh shit, Lunatic gives a very thorough review, and concludes "awful album" (worse than Encore).

Agree with you for most of it, but I don't really like Beautiful.

More agreeing it's an awful album.

i give the album a 3/5 seemed rushed and concepts were horrible

10 Pages in and Still Not Looking Good For Relapse Revisionist History Buffs!!

[TraceOneInfinite]

you're being disingenuous


most of the comments in here are positive and that actually surprised me .. you're nitpicking the negative comments in your constant everlasting quest to stump me. using "research" as an excuse not guna hide what's really real.

it's about 70/30 positive to negative comments in here.. recovery is about 30/70



still.. my point isn't about how many people liked it. it's about what people liked about it and what they didn't. if you were more concerned with facts than with outdoing me, you woulda been seen that.

Don't change your wording now.  You said that only POP MUSIC fans were digging Recovery.  And that that the real hip-hop fans liked Relapse more when it came out than Recovery.  I'll find the quote where you said that.

i already peeped both official discussion threads on here earlier this morning


and i linked a thread on it from eminem's forum as well in one of my earlier posts


relapse was received wayyyyy better by fans


it's not even close

...you may end up being right, but so far it's not looking good in the Relapse Thread, but I still got the Recovery thread to research.

[Sccit]

Don't change your wording now.  You said that only POP MUSIC fans were digging Recovery.  And that that the real hip-hop fans liked Relapse more when it came out than Recovery.  I'll find the quote where you said that.

of course .. and that still stands true ... eminem fans were definitely digging relapse more than recovery overall .. that doesn't change my point at all .... the accents were the primary issue and the album grew a cult following later down the line... i said that in my very first post


i find it funny how you're disingenuously nitpicking at only the negative comments and i KNOW u see the tons of positive comments that you're purposely avoiding


what point are u trying to prove?

[Duck Duck Doggy]

Eminem is the best

[TraceOneInfinite]

infinite is being super disingenuous, as usual

he nitpicks the positive reviews on recovery and nitpicks the negative reviews on relapse to try to paint it as recovery being better received

he thinks the viewers of the threads are retarded and can't just go back and read ALL the comments, which shows relapse getting about 70% positive feedback while recovery has about 70% negative feedback

fake shit

i don't get down wit that

It's no secret.  That's exactly what I was searching for.  If someone wants to do their own search, then be my guest.  I didn't claim my theory was correct, I am doing my own research.  If you don't like my research then you take 4 hours out of your day and do your own research.  But you can't do that because you actually have family and a social life.

It's pretty simple what I'm doing and I make no bones about it.  I'm doing real Scientific Research (not fake spinning ball globe or Coward-19 Research) but real Scientific Method.  Following the 5 Steps you learned in your 6th Grade Science Class:

RELAPSE ALBUM

1.  QUESTION/IDEA:  Sccit posed the idea that HEADZ liked/loved Relapse when it dropped. 
2.  MY HYPOTHESIS:  My hypothesis is that many HEADZ at the forum hated Relapse when it dropped and dissed it on here.
3.  PERFORM THE EXPERIMENT:  Bump the old thread and search for posts of HEADZ dissing the fucc out of Relapse.
4.  DATA:  I found many posts of HEADZ dissing the fucc out of Relapse.
5.  CONCLUSION:  Many HEADZ at the forum did not like Relapse and dissed the fucc out of it when it was released.

^^That's my mutherfuccin research that I did, if you don't like my research or think you would like to perform a different search then be my fuccin guest.  But good luck finding 4 hours of your day to burn through providing quality research to the members of the forum as I have done.  You guys should be thanking me. 

RECOVERY ALBUM

1.  QUESTION/IDEA:  Sccit posed the idea on here that pop fans liked Recovery but not the HEADZ at the forum.
2.  HYPOTHESIS:  My hypothesis is that I can find many headz at the forum that liked Recovery when it dropped.
3.  EXPERIMENT:  I bumped the o.g thread and performed a search to find HEADZ who liked the Recovery album.
4.  DATA:  I found many HEADZ here who liked the Recovery album when it dropped.
5.  CONCLUSION:  There were actually many HEADZ here at the forum who liked the Recovery album when it dropped, so it wasn't just the pop fans pushing the narrative.

^^If you don't like the reasearch I've done and think it was inconclusive then you can do your own fuccin research.  I provided the fuccin evidence for anybody to view and draw their own fuccin conclusion if they don't like mine.  Perform your own research, be my guest.  But really, you all should be thanking me.

relapse was received wayyyyy better by fans


it's not even close

You sure about that?  Let's do the research, we have the two threads bumped.  The Relapse thread and the Recovery thread.  Let's check and see if it is true that Relapse was received WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better by fans...

[Sccit]

you must think u have something here

fakeness gets u nowhere in life

you'll see soon enough

i got u

[TraceOneInfinite]

you must think u have something here

fakeness gets u nowhere in life

you'll see soon enough

i got u

I hope I will see.. That's the point.. the evidence is all there, so there's no need to even argue.  If more people show they liked Relapse better than Recovery (when they were released) then great for them.  I'm not even a big fan of Recovery anyway (though I do like it more than Relapse).