Would Eminem be considered the GOAT if he never released music after Relapse?

[Sccit]

The thing is its not about where you live. The fact is not about where you live. Even if you live in detroit you dont have right to say you know about eminem more than me. Also according to the discussion we made above with you, it became a proof of its not about you live in los angles or turkey. We made our comments bro, leave it there and let other people drop their comment, we are not here in this forum to agree with you.

bruh wtf r u rambling on about

if we want opinions on turkish folk music we'll ask you

chill

[TraceOneInfinite]

The thing is its not about where you live. The fact is not about where you live. Even if you live in detroit you dont have right to say you know about eminem more than me. Also according to the discussion we made above with you, it became a proof of its not about you live in los angles or turkey. We made our comments bro, leave it there and let other people drop their comment, we are not here in this forum to agree with you.

Like I wanna ride around and bump stalker music..

“Hey baby, my name is shady,
Them some nice buns, yum yum”

I don’t care how good the damn production value is… the album has no soul. 

Proof had died and Eminem was searching for his identity as an artist.  He said in an interview at the time that he asked himself what Proof would tell him to do for the album and that Proof would tell him to go all out and say the most shocking shit and have no fear.

Yeah sure the early albums had shock value, but it’s like comparing 1980’s WWF to 1990’s WWF.  Ol School the rule was no matter how crazy shit got they still maintained it was real.  Hogan fuccin choked a talk show host out and got sued for a million — just because the talk show host was saying shit like Wrestling wasn’t real in 87.’   They had soul and you really believed as a kid that Hogan and Mr T were out fighting bad guys on subways in New York City when they were away from the ring.  By the 90’s you had the Undertaker putting opponents in a coffin after the match and things got ridiculous.

Sure, Em was throwing his wife in a trunk on the SSLP but there was still a hint of truth to it because they had an abusive relationship. 

But the Relapse shit where by that time he’d been totally removed from his poverty and dramas with Kim and now he’s just rapping about stalking random women it lost touch with reality.

[Jay_J]

bruh wtf r u rambling on about

if we want opinions on turkish folk music we'll ask you

chill

Sure u can ask, but i wouldnt ask you about eminem.

do black people tell you to stop talking about rap because u are a jewish?

stop being racist bro, you are humiliating yourself yourself with claiming nobody here from outside of la or usa has right to talk about hip hop except of you and your crew.

you should leave la and talk people around the world. there are lots of hip hop heads, jewish, muslim, black, white, european, asian, etc... i know many of em who knows way more than you, more than me.

just chill. leave your little world in little la neighbourhood to change your perspective.

Unfortunately, one more time, we cant focus on real thing here because of fighting your ego and narrow regional nationalism. you have my number, let's discuss there if u need.

[Jay_J]

Like I wanna ride around and bump stalker music..

“Hey baby, my name is shady,
Them some nice buns, yum yum”

I don’t care how good the damn production value is… the album has no soul. 

Proof had died and Eminem was searching for his identity as an artist.  He said in an interview at the time that he asked himself what Proof would tell him to do for the album and that Proof would tell him to go all out and say the most shocking shit and have no fear.

Yeah sure the early albums had shock value, but it’s like comparing 1980’s WWF to 1990’s WWF.  Ol School the rule was no matter how crazy shit got they still maintained it was real.  Hogan fuccin choked a talk show host out and got sued for a million — just because the talk show host was saying shit like Wrestling wasn’t real in 87.’   They had soul and you really believed as a kid that Hogan and Mr T were out fighting bad guys on subways in New York City when they were away from the ring.  By the 90’s you had the Undertaker putting opponents in a coffin after the match and things got ridiculous.

Sure, Em was throwing his wife in a trunk on the SSLP but there was still a hint of truth to it because they had an abusive relationship. 

But the Relapse shit where by that time he’d been totally removed from his poverty and dramas with Kim and now he’s just rapping about stalking random women it lost touch with reality.

the problem was production. not they lyrics. yeah accents were a little bit too much but main problem was how production was outdated and boring. (except of beautiful which is the only track not produced by dre, deja vu and 3 am). the rest was classic old dre sound which every amateur beatmaker is able to imitate)

i think em's performance lyrically was great, especially on 3 am, stay wide awake, same song and dance. only good production he fucked up is "bagpipes from baghdad. he ruined that monster beat with mariah carey issue.

eminem even changed the way he rap on recovery. i wasn't a fan of his new yelling type of rap which is more straight and with less word play. but as i said it became succesful and took attention of a new generation and people who is listening to music currently.

[TraceOneInfinite]

the problem was production. not they lyrics. yeah accents were a little bit too much but main problem was how production was outdated and boring. (except of beautiful which is the only track not produced by dre, deja vu and 3 am). the rest was classic old dre sound which every amateur beatmaker is able to imitate)

i think em's performance lyrically was great, especially on 3 am, stay wide awake, same song and dance. only good production he fucked up is "bagpipes from baghdad. he ruined that monster beat with mariah carey issue.

eminem even changed the way he rap on recovery. i wasn't a fan of his new yelling type of rap which is more straight and with less word play. but as i said it became succesful and took attention of a new generation and people who is listening to music currently.

Yeah I was still agreeing with you in my post above, just kind of adding to what we were saying.  Let me make clear where I agree and where I disagree with your side…

Agree

—Recovery was obviously more well received than Relapse was when they were released
—Relapse was considered a disappointment when it dropped
—Recovery was considered a successful comeback and redemption album (from failed Relapse) when it dropped.
—I also thought the yelling had become a bit annoying.  It was groundbreaking and gave me chills when I first heard it in May 2000 on “The Way I Am” MMLP, but post 8-Mile the yelling on albums had lost the charm, and was hit and miss
—the accents were a bit too much on Relapse
—the skills were still there as far as rhyming goes and flow
—the production was outdated because unfortunately we had moved away from the baggy jeans Aftermath/G Unit era and into the skinny jeans lil Wayne Young Money era

Disagree

—you liked the lyrics, but I didn’t like the lyrical CONTENT on relapse.  So, if we are judging lyrics by “content” then I can’t agree with you that Relapse was dope lyrically.  It had no soul, I’m not a fan of horror movies or the stalker shit, like I’m not gonna sit and watch American Psycho the movie or listen to such lyrics if they are too far removed from reality.
—you didn’t like the production on Relapse, but I thought the production value for the album was yet another Master Class from Dre.  I agree with you it was outdated, but the Aftermath Sound never grows old with most fans here at the forum, I mean we grew up on his death row sound and then the resurgence era when him and Mel Man created the vintage Aftermath sound are why we are at this forum to begin with

[Jay_J]

Yeah I was still agreeing with you in my post above, just kind of adding to what we were saying.  Let me make clear where I agree and where I disagree with your side…

Agree

—Recovery was obviously more well received than Relapse was when they were released
—Relapse was considered a disappointment when it dropped
—Recovery was considered a successful comeback and redemption album (from failed Relapse) when it dropped.
—I also thought the yelling had become a bit annoying.  It was groundbreaking and gave me chills when I first heard it in May 2000 on “The Way I Am” MMLP, but post 8-Mile the yelling on albums had lost the charm, and was hit and miss
—the accents were a bit too much on Relapse
—the skills were still there as far as rhyming goes and flow
—the production was outdated because unfortunately we had moved away from the baggy jeans Aftermath/G Unit era and into the skinny jeans lil Wayne Young Money era

Disagree

—you liked the lyrics, but I didn’t like the lyrical CONTENT on relapse.  So, if we are judging lyrics by “content” then I can’t agree with you that Relapse was dope lyrically.  It had no soul, I’m not a fan of horror movies or the stalker shit, like I’m not gonna sit and watch American Psycho the movie or listen to such lyrics if they are too far removed from reality.
—you didn’t like the production on Relapse, but I thought the production value for the album was yet another Master Class from Dre.  I agree with you it was outdated, but the Aftermath Sound never grows old with most fans here at the forum, I mean we grew up on his death row sound and then the resurgence era when him and Mel Man created the vintage Aftermath sound are why we are at this forum to begin with

Sure i love aftermath sound, i'm still listening to old hip hop records more than new ones. i'm an old head bro. but eminem was not an artist to please old fans in that time. that dr. dre type of post 2001 dr. dre sound wasnt right choice for eminem in 2009.

[HighEyeCue]

I thought Relapse was dope lyrically...sure the lyrics are shock value but he was spitting

the same can be said for someone like Brotha Lynch Hung...you may not agree with his content but you can not deny the skill

[Bossplaya369]

After MM LP

[Sccit]

Sure u can ask, but i wouldnt ask you about eminem.

do black people tell you to stop talking about rap because u are a jewish?

stop being racist bro, you are humiliating yourself yourself with claiming nobody here from outside of la or usa has right to talk about hip hop except of you and your crew.

you should leave la and talk people around the world. there are lots of hip hop heads, jewish, muslim, black, white, european, asian, etc... i know many of em who knows way more than you, more than me.

just chill. leave your little world in little la neighbourhood to change your perspective.

Unfortunately, one more time, we cant focus on real thing here because of fighting your ego and narrow regional nationalism. you have my number, let's discuss there if u need.

nobody told u not to talk about rap lmao

and where one resides has nothing to do with race.. so calling it racist is a desperation reach

to answer your question, i wouldn't go up to an african and try to teach him about african culture lol. that would be very arrogant of me.

hip-hop is global, of course.. but it's american culture first. so when i tell you that hip-hop heads don't value recovery in the way they value relapse, responding "i disagree" is pretty pompous.

even as a jewish person, im a guest in the house of hip-hop..but i still live the culture in its home. so what do you think being from turkey makes you?

it's not racist to say white people are guests in the house of hip-hop... eminem himself has said that. its called RESPECT. you have to have the respect to humble yourself and realize this is 1.black cultute and 2.american culture.


so are u able to speak opinions on hip-hop? absolutely .... but confidently stating that recovery is more embraced by eminem fans isn't an opinion. it's a misrepresentation of reality. opinions are one thing.. facts are another.


i'll leave you with this gem

[Sccit]

Like I wanna ride around and bump stalker music..

“Hey baby, my name is shady,
Them some nice buns, yum yum”

I don’t care how good the damn production value is… the album has no soul. 

Proof had died and Eminem was searching for his identity as an artist.  He said in an interview at the time that he asked himself what Proof would tell him to do for the album and that Proof would tell him to go all out and say the most shocking shit and have no fear.

Yeah sure the early albums had shock value, but it’s like comparing 1980’s WWF to 1990’s WWF.  Ol School the rule was no matter how crazy shit got they still maintained it was real.  Hogan fuccin choked a talk show host out and got sued for a million — just because the talk show host was saying shit like Wrestling wasn’t real in 87.’   They had soul and you really believed as a kid that Hogan and Mr T were out fighting bad guys on subways in New York City when they were away from the ring.  By the 90’s you had the Undertaker putting opponents in a coffin after the match and things got ridiculous.

Sure, Em was throwing his wife in a trunk on the SSLP but there was still a hint of truth to it because they had an abusive relationship. 

But the Relapse shit where by that time he’d been totally removed from his poverty and dramas with Kim and now he’s just rapping about stalking random women it lost touch with reality.

it's a concept album

[Sccit]

Yeah I was still agreeing with you in my post above, just kind of adding to what we were saying.  Let me make clear where I agree and where I disagree with your side…

Agree

—Recovery was obviously more well received than Relapse was when they were released
—Relapse was considered a disappointment when it dropped
—Recovery was considered a successful comeback and redemption album (from failed Relapse) when it dropped.
—I also thought the yelling had become a bit annoying.  It was groundbreaking and gave me chills when I first heard it in May 2000 on “The Way I Am” MMLP, but post 8-Mile the yelling on albums had lost the charm, and was hit and miss
—the accents were a bit too much on Relapse
—the skills were still there as far as rhyming goes and flow
—the production was outdated because unfortunately we had moved away from the baggy jeans Aftermath/G Unit era and into the skinny jeans lil Wayne Young Money era

Disagree

—you liked the lyrics, but I didn’t like the lyrical CONTENT on relapse.  So, if we are judging lyrics by “content” then I can’t agree with you that Relapse was dope lyrically.  It had no soul, I’m not a fan of horror movies or the stalker shit, like I’m not gonna sit and watch American Psycho the movie or listen to such lyrics if they are too far removed from reality.
—you didn’t like the production on Relapse, but I thought the production value for the album was yet another Master Class from Dre.  I agree with you it was outdated, but the Aftermath Sound never grows old with most fans here at the forum, I mean we grew up on his death row sound and then the resurgence era when him and Mel Man created the vintage Aftermath sound are why we are at this forum to begin with

recovery was better received by who? eminem fans or casual pop fans??

if you claim recovery was better received by eminem fans then you're outa touch.

the yelling over stadium beats with skyler grey and rihanna hooks was mocked to death by hip-hop heads.

it was only embraced by pop fans.

most people loved the production on relapse .. and the only issue was they claimed the accents was over the top. which did turn a lot of people off.

but the yelling over stadium beats with pop hooks was considered so corny that it became a parody to most heads.

i was there in real time in the heart of the culture..do you know ANY hip-hop head that embraces recovery? shit, u got cey cey callin it a classic LOL. literally the first time ive ever heard that.

[TraceOneInfinite]

recovery was better received by who? eminem fans or casual pop fans??

if you claim recovery was better received by eminem fans then you're outa touch.

the yelling over stadium beats with skyler grey and rihanna hooks was mocked to death by hip-hop heads.

it was only embraced by pop fans.

most people loved the production on relapse .. and the only issue was they claimed the accents was over the top. which did turn a lot of people off.

but the yelling over stadium beats with pop hooks was considered so corny that it became a parody to most heads.

i was there in real time in the heart of the culture..do you know ANY hip-hop head that embraces recovery? shit, u got cey cey callin it a classic LOL. literally the first time ive ever heard that.

By Eminem fans?   They didn’t receive either album that well… you know what we could do is just link some old threads.. maybe you can find the main thread from when Relapse was released and the main thread from when Recovery was released and bump them up and then we can know for sure — since there were many Em fans here

[Jay_J]

nobody told u not to talk about rap lmao

and where one resides has nothing to do with race.. so calling it racist is a desperation reach

to answer your question, i wouldn't go up to an african and try to teach him about african culture lol. that would be very arrogant of me.

hip-hop is global, of course.. but it's american culture first. so when i tell you that hip-hop heads don't value recovery in the way they value relapse, responding "i disagree" is pretty pompous.

even as a jewish person, im a guest in the house of hip-hop..but i still live the culture in its home. so what do you think being from turkey makes you?

it's not racist to say white people are guests in the house of hip-hop... eminem himself has said that. its called RESPECT. you have to have the respect to humble yourself and realize this is 1.black cultute and 2.american culture.


so are u able to speak opinions on hip-hop? absolutely .... but confidently stating that recovery is more embraced by eminem fans isn't an opinion. it's a misrepresentation of reality. opinions are one thing.. facts are another.


i'll leave you with this gem

I guess you didn't get what i meant bro, you look confused.

I never said recovery well recieved by eminem fans

I even gave myself as an example because i'm an eminem fan, more than you, as i read your comment you dont seem to have enough knowledge about eminem to discuss with a turkish as a jewish guest living in los angeles. All you can bring to table is you are right because you live in america and i dont.
Just wanted to let you face it if you want to take it to location and race

Anyway i hated recovery when it came out as an eminem fan, most of old eminem fans felt same way, i also can say i liked relapse more than recovery in first listen but even after relapse i was feeling that it is another failure as encore and eminem should get rid of dr.dre productions as soon as possible. today we see that recovery album saved eminem's career which was going down with encore and relapse dissapointments. Because ha adapted himself to time and got new fans. He showed that he doesnt sound same old same and will not. He will always be relevant, he will able to adapt and he is going to come up with something new. That is why recovery saved his ass and well recieved by most of current music listeners even if they are eminem fan or not.

Isnt it clear what i say? Come on sccit, lets discuss about music. If you can. Let us read your perspective for once instead taking it to races and location. I believe in you

Let me introduce you a few rap groups from europe(including turkey and uk) who are dope, who are legends, better rapper than you, better producer than you. Because its about talent, its about the way you are into it and giving yourself to culture no matter where you are from. (i appriciate your effort by they way, you are my friend and i feel you have dope records but u cant fuck with legendary artists and fucking great hip hop heads from all around the world)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNPN5Tgkmd8?si=w3zaWJa8MgEDPUmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNCexT6PpAk?si=-2Xqon5ExkhYKq8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpTx7IlbPyw?si=FWPOg-sWQsayXLpu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQOG5BkY2Bc?si=joAg95zu6yIQRjgJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0i2jaRK2n4?si=Fi0LUK861OUJhO3K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq6w0ACBAPw?si=lOmgOwvp3As_NFWn

[heisenberg]

always funny to see people claiming this or that for everyone like they know better and they speak for the people. just give your opinion, don't speak for others just for your ego or statement.

[Sccit]

By Eminem fans?   They didn’t receive either album that well… you know what we could do is just link some old threads.. maybe you can find the main thread from when Relapse was released and the main thread from when Recovery was released and bump them up and then we can know for sure — since there were many Em fans here

i already peeped both official discussion threads on here earlier this morning


and i linked a thread on it from eminem's forum as well in one of my earlier posts


relapse was received wayyyyy better by fans


it's not even close