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Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
abusive:
--- Quote from: Sccit on September 13, 2025, 11:58:59 PM ---catholicism is still based on the teachings of jesus christ ..
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--- Quote from: Sccit on September 09, 2025, 12:04:16 PM ---Christianity has been involved in forced conversions at various times throughout history. While the core teachings of Christianity emphasize free will and voluntary faith, in practice, some Christian leaders, empires, and institutions have used coercion, violence, or political pressure to convert people. Here are some notable examples:
🏰 Medieval Europe & Charlemagne (8th–9th centuries)
Charlemagne, the King of the Franks, led campaigns to convert the Saxons in present-day Germany. Those who resisted were sometimes killed, exiled, or forcibly baptized.
The Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae (a legal code) included death penalties for refusing baptism or practicing pagan rituals.
🇪🇸 Spanish Inquisition & Colonialism (15th–17th centuries)
In Spain, Jews and Muslims were pressured to convert or face expulsion or execution.
During colonization of the Americas, the Spanish and Portuguese empires forced indigenous populations to convert, often alongside the destruction of native religions and cultures.
Missionaries sometimes genuinely believed they were saving souls, but the methods often involved coercion, suppression of native languages, and cultural erasure.
🌍 Africa and Asia (Colonial Period)
In many colonized regions, European Christian missionaries accompanied imperial powers.
While many conversions were voluntary or semi-voluntary, the imbalance of power, economic dependency, or pressure from colonial administrators often played a role.
⛪ Eastern Europe & Russia
In some cases, Orthodox Christianity was used to pressure conversions in territories conquered by the Russian Empire.
Similarly, in Poland-Lithuania, religious policies shifted over time, and at some points, non-Catholics were pressured to convert.
🧭 Crusades (1095–1291)
The primary goal was to reclaim Christian control over the Holy Land, but in some cases, non-Christians were given the choice of conversion or death, particularly during massacres of Jews and Muslims.
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Show me some scriptures where Jesus taught this stuff.
abusive:
--- Quote from: Sccit on September 14, 2025, 10:46:36 PM ---that's like saying "islam is against forced conversion based on the teachings of the quran"
well guess what.. many islamist leaders still forced conversion en masse throughout history
just because the book says one thing doesn't mean all followers of the book will adhere to those teachings
constantine and the roman empire forced christianity on the masses well before catholicism even existed
those are facts, not opinions
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Islam does teach forced conversions and that's why leaders who follow the religion do it. Bad example.
The Roman Empire are the ones who killed Jesus. If you want to believe that Roman Catholicism is Christian or that you're a jew, you have a right to believe that.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: abusive on September 19, 2025, 10:27:45 AM ---Islam does teach forced conversions and that's why leaders who follow the religion do it. Bad example.
The Roman Empire are the ones who killed Jesus. If you want to believe that Roman Catholicism is Christian or that you're a jew, you have a right to believe that.
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wrong
forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam
but both muslims and christians still do it
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Sccit on September 19, 2025, 03:06:45 PM ---
wrong
forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam
but both muslims and christians still do it
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Unfortunately that's one of those big grey areas, and there are so many in the religion. You have a lot of Muslim friends and I'm happy you are defending Islam and trying to present a fair viewpoint of the religion. Because there is the verse of Qur'an that does say "There is no compulsion in religion" and they always market this aspect when appealing to outsiders for sympathy and to appear to be less threatening.
...then you actually get deep into the religion and you meet a lot of assholes that think it's perfectly fine to force someone into the religion and try to back up those claims using Qur'an, Hadith (alleged sayings of the Prophet) and things from the Sunnah/Sahaba (this means life of Muhammad and people who knew him) and even Fatwas from Scholars past and present. They will come up with something and then you spend hours arguing them in the masjid and feel frustrated at the end of the day and thought we were all gonna sing "Kumbaya" by the fire place holding hands--but find out it's not quite the same on the inside as it is in some college reading material that presents Islam to the general public.
abusive:
--- Quote from: Sccit on September 19, 2025, 03:06:45 PM ---
wrong
forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam
but both muslims and christians still do it
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Show me in the New Testament.
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