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Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
Sccit:
--- Quote from: abusive on September 22, 2025, 02:52:27 PM ---https://quran.com/at-tawbah/5
I'm still waiting for you to do the same with the NT.
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1. Context: Not General, but Specific
This verse is part of a passage revealed during a specific conflict between the early Muslim community in Medina and certain Arab pagan tribes who had:
Made peace treaties with the Muslims, and
Violated those treaties by attacking or conspiring against them.
So, this was a limited military directive, not a general order against all non-Muslims or polytheists.
🛡️ 2. Not About Forcing Religion
The verse says:
"If they repent, perform prayer, and give zakah..."
This is not an instruction to force conversion. Rather, it sets terms for amnesty during a time of war. It means:
Those who had violated the treaties and were now enemies could still be forgiven and reintegrated if they embraced Islam voluntarily.
However, those who didn’t want to convert were not forced — they were either fought in war (as combatants), or allowed other options like exile, or in later verses, offered protection (see below).
📜 3. Next Verses Offer Protection for Non-Muslims
Just one verse later, Surah 9:6 states:
"If any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allah. Then deliver him to a place where he can be secure. That is because they are a people who do not know." (9:6)
This shows that non-Muslims who sought safety were to be protected and escorted to safety, not forced to convert.
⚖️ 4. Forced Conversion Is Forbidden in Islam
The Qur’an explicitly prohibits forced conversion:
“There is no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clearly from falsehood…”
— Surah Al-Baqarah (2:256)
This is a universal principle in Islamic belief. Genuine faith must come from free will, not coercion.
Sccit:
now let's do christianity
🔹 Luke 14:23 – Compel Them to Come In
“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full.’”
📌 Context: This is part of a parable about a banquet — a metaphor for God inviting people into the kingdom. The word “compel” (Greek: anankazo) has sparked debate:
Most scholars see it as urging or persuading, not physical force.
However, during the medieval period, especially in the Augustinian tradition, this verse was misused to justify forced conversions, especially against Jews and heretics.
🕍 Historical Misuse by Christian Institutions
While the New Testament doesn't teach forced conversion, certain Church authorities historically used Old Testament laws and selective readings to justify coercion, especially in:
The Crusades
The Inquisition
Forced conversions of Jews and Muslims in Spain (e.g., 15th–16th centuries)
Colonial-era missionary work backed by military power
BIGWORM:
Jewish is a religion not a race.
Jews are doing the same thing that Hitler did, but every nation is turning a blind eye because the run the world financial system.
Didn't the writer of the torah "Jay-Z" aka steal most of the Old Testament writings?
abusive:
--- Quote from: Sccit on September 22, 2025, 04:59:26 PM ---now let's do christianity
🔹 Luke 14:23 – Compel Them to Come In
“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full.’”
📌 Context: This is part of a parable about a banquet — a metaphor for God inviting people into the kingdom. The word “compel” (Greek: anankazo) has sparked debate:
Most scholars see it as urging or persuading, not physical force.
However, during the medieval period, especially in the Augustinian tradition, this verse was misused to justify forced conversions, especially against Jews and heretics.
🕍 Historical Misuse by Christian Institutions
While the New Testament doesn't teach forced conversion, certain Church authorities historically used Old Testament laws and selective readings to justify coercion, especially in:
The Crusades
The Inquisition
Forced conversions of Jews and Muslims in Spain (e.g., 15th–16th centuries)
Colonial-era missionary work backed by military power
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I rest my case on the Quran teaching forced conversion. Trying to explain it away by "context" doesn't.
I also rest my case on the point that the NT doesn't teach forced conversions. Trying to make it seem that it does by using catholic inquisition and the crusades doesn't prove that it does.
abusive:
Black Hebrew Israelite's and Jewish people both utilize the Torah, therefore the black Hebrew Israelite practices a form of Judaism and they are just as much Jews as jewish people. <---- Your logic. :ohwell:
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