SUGA FREE - MR. P BODY (Official Discussion)

[astra4322]

It’s more like bunch of random demo tracks with low sound quality. No fun from listening to this type of trash releases. No to this one.

[romson19]

https://music.apple.com/pl/album/mr-p-body/1862855081?ls

[Matty]

some pretty good stuff on here but GOT DAMN @ that mixing/mastering.

there is no way on earth Quik OK'd this stuff to be released in such garbage quality

[Soopafly DPGC]

some pretty good stuff on here but GOT DAMN @ that mixing/mastering.

there is no way on earth Quik OK'd this stuff to be released in such garbage quality

DJ Quik didn't really have anything to do with this other than production on a few tracks.  My guess on this, and I could be totally wrong....Free had some of these DJ Quik songs in the vault forever, like GET IT.  I know he had GOOD ENOUGH pulled from his last album because Quik wanted to save it.  Quik been pushing this Quik/Free album for the last 20 years, I believe it was supposed to be called Geminis.  And i think finally both of them realized this is never going to happen and Quik finally gave Free the OK to release some of these songs.  But of course they were never fully mixed or mastered.  Although GET IT sounds like it was mastered pretty well.  But i mean damn, holding on to a 15 year old song, i'm glad they finally just released it.  Even if they did come together and do an album (highly unlikely), they'll record new stuff anyways.  I think that's part of why the mixing seems all over the place and it's a mix of older and newer songs.  I do think Free was cleaning out the vault for some of these songs, which i'm glad he did.  GET IT is the true gem, i never thought i'd get to hear it in HQ.  Been listening to audio from that concert rip forever.  Then someone finally put the instrumental under it, which helped a bit.  But getting it on an album is so much better. 

[Matty]

DJ Quik didn't really have anything to do with this other than production on a few tracks.  My guess on this, and I could be totally wrong....Free had some of these DJ Quik songs in the vault forever, like GET IT.  I know he had GOOD ENOUGH pulled from his last album because Quik wanted to save it.  Quik been pushing this Quik/Free album for the last 20 years, I believe it was supposed to be called Geminis.  And i think finally both of them realized this is never going to happen and Quik finally gave Free the OK to release some of these songs.  But of course they were never fully mixed or mastered.  Although GET IT sounds like it was mastered pretty well.  But i mean damn, holding on to a 15 year old song, i'm glad they finally just released it.  Even if they did come together and do an album (highly unlikely), they'll record new stuff anyways.  I think that's part of why the mixing seems all over the place and it's a mix of older and newer songs.  I do think Free was cleaning out the vault for some of these songs, which i'm glad he did.  GET IT is the true gem, i never thought i'd get to hear it in HQ.  Been listening to audio from that concert rip forever.  Then someone finally put the instrumental under it, which helped a bit.  But getting it on an album is so much better.

maybe i just presume after hearing this that Free stuck the Quik tracks on there without his permission, such is the horrendous quality. it's as if someone took a low quality mp3 through a very low quality mastering process and fried them. Quik is known for sound quality so I presume when any song he produced is released on a commercial project (something people are paying for) he ideally is going to OK the final mix/master. I could be totally wrong but it's just painful to hear his records presented in this way. likewise that Get It track is equally rubbish quality, just listen to the OG instrumental it's taken from and it's 100 times clearer/fuller.

[astra4322]

This kind of projects are smack in the fan’s face.

[Sccit]

suga free is known for this

resurrection woulda been a classic wit proper mixing/mastering

these cats need to bring their stuff to labcabin if they want the right sound

[Soopafly DPGC]

maybe i just presume after hearing this that Free stuck the Quik tracks on there without his permission, such is the horrendous quality. it's as if someone took a low quality mp3 through a very low quality mastering process and fried them. Quik is known for sound quality so I presume when any song he produced is released on a commercial project (something people are paying for) he ideally is going to OK the final mix/master. I could be totally wrong but it's just painful to hear his records presented in this way. likewise that Get It track is equally rubbish quality, just listen to the OG instrumental it's taken from and it's 100 times clearer/fuller.

With how bipolar Quik is and how easily he gets hurt and offended over the smallest things, which has led him to diss so many of his friends and people in his camp, only to turn around and make up with them later, I really think if Suga Free released these songs right out from under DJ Quik without his permission, Quik would've made it known.  I don't think Free could legally even do that, but like i said, even if he did, Quik would be all over the internet about it.  Free shouts out Quik numerous times on the album, so I really don't think there's any friction there.  I do think these were probably demos or not the final mixes and Quik was intending on going back and mixing and touching them up at some point and finally said fuck it and Free released them the way they are. 

Yayz and Grooves feat. Quik from KK's album wasn't mixed very well either, but it got released.  I've noticed plenty of DJ Quik features or production that weren't mixed the best.  Obviously if it's DJ Quik's album or an album produced and mixed by Quik, it's gonna be done right.  But these guest appearance tracks from past years are all over the place production wise. 

[Matty]

it does seem to be a theme with Quik records that are handed off to other artists on projects he isn't overseeing. could well be a mastering/final mixdown thing.

examples

the track with Game on Doc 2.5 - dodgy mix/mastering
Jon B song Fill Your Cup - sounded amazing in previews/live and final version is poo, not properly mixed. the actual Book of David songs sound a million times better.

in the case of this project you can hear the tracks are complete, they're not demos all instruments/sounds are in place at relative levels but something went horribly wrong getting them to us in proper quality. we'll see if Quik says anything later down the line, he simply might not care or might not even be aware of this release.

[Sccit]

it does seem to be a theme with Quik records that are handed off to other artists on projects he isn't overseeing. could well be a mastering/final mixdown thing.

examples

the track with Game on Doc 2.5 - dodgy mix/mastering
Jon B song Fill Your Cup - sounded amazing in previews/live and final version is poo, not properly mixed. the actual Book of David songs sound a million times better.

in the case of this project you can hear the tracks are complete, they're not demos all instruments/sounds are in place at relative levels but something went horribly wrong getting them to us in proper quality. we'll see if Quik says anything later down the line, he simply might not care or might not even be aware of this release.

it could be a mastering issue

quik has no say on how others have their work mastered

different producers have their songs mixed differently depending on how the mastering engineer approaches it


quik might be mixing things thinner in order for a good mastering engineer to have more room to play with on the low end

but when a bad mastering engineer gets a hold of that mix, he may just be amplifying the thin sounds as opposed to balancing everything out, like a good mastering engineer does

[TraceOneInfinite]

it could be a mastering issue

quik has no say on how others have their work mastered

different producers have their songs mixed differently depending on how the mastering engineer approaches it


quik might be mixing things thinner in order for a good mastering engineer to have more room to play with on the low end

but when a bad mastering engineer gets a hold of that mix, he may just be amplifying the thin sounds as opposed to balancing everything out, like a good mastering engineer does

yeah man.. doesn't it seem strange?  Like when No Limit started selling platinum you would buy one of those albums and they had not even spent the money to have it properly mastered. 

Another example just for you West Coast headz is Xzibit At the Speed of Light.  I know it wasn't a big budget album but neither was 40 Dayz and 40 Nightz but the difference in Mastering is really visible if you compare those two.