SUGA FREE - NO MERCY (New Album Coming September 2026)

[O.E.800]

New Suga Free album called No Mercy dropping in Sept according to his posts on IG yesterday.

Wonder if he's gonna be including more legacy songs like he did with the last one.. or any Quik production that doesn't sound like carnival music lol. Still not over Quik's fall off a cliff lol - the guy is a brilliant producer but somehow lost his way  . The strange but funny thing: he can't dress worth a damn anymore either lol. The two seem to have almost the same trajectory lmao

Anyway, here's hoping for some good material from Free.

[Sccit]

dope

gota get the right mastering engineers on this one

[Nsykac Steel]

New Suga Free album called No Mercy dropping in Sept according to his posts on IG yesterday.

Wonder if he's gonna be including more legacy songs like he did with the last one.. or any Quik production that doesn't sound like carnival music lol. Still not over Quik's fall off a cliff lol - the guy is a brilliant producer but somehow lost his way  . The strange but funny thing: he can't dress worth a damn anymore either lol. The two seem to have almost the same trajectory lmao

Anyway, here's hoping for some good material from Free.

How can a producer ‘fall off'?

[O.E.800]

How can a producer ‘fall off'?

Is that a trick question dude? lol.

Like anything that was once good and no longer is, making a product inferior to it is what's called falling off - from your favorite restaurant that changed the recipe after 30 years to music production. Pretty straight forward 

[Nsykac Steel]

Is that a trick question dude? lol.

Like anything that was once good and no longer is, making a product inferior to it is what's called falling off - from your favorite restaurant that changed the recipe after 30 years to music production. Pretty straight forward 

Hardly means they ‘fell off ‘x if they can't produce anymore, yes i'd agree. If they are experimiting or exploring different styles, that's called musical innovation.
 

[O.E.800]

Hardly means they ‘fell off ‘x if they can't produce anymore, yes i'd agree. If they are experimiting or exploring different styles, that's called musical innovation.
 

There's nothing innovative about Quik's current sound. It doesn't sound good at all dude; and it reflects poorly on him as a producer when you look at his catalogue prior to the turn. The kind of shit he's capable of runs circles around what he's doing now. It's not even in a same league lol. Hard to believe it's even the same person. It's actually kinda sad. 

[Mat]

Going to be good hopefully some Quik Beats on it

[Nsykac Steel]

There's nothing innovative about Quik's current sound. It doesn't sound good at all dude; and it reflects poorly on him as a producer when you look at his catalogue prior to the turn. The kind of shit he's capable of runs circles around what he's doing now. It's not even in a same league lol. Hard to believe it's even the same person. It's actually kinda sad.

Not sad, I think he is taking big creative steps outside of his signature sound,  and I am all for it. I can't wait to hear more from him.

[O.E.800]

Not sad, I think he is taking big creative steps outside of his signature sound,  and I am all for it. I can't wait to hear more from him.

I disagree dude lol.

What he was doing before he started making carnival music was creative. The guy carved out his own lane of Gangsta rap, produced a bunch of R&B (from Danny Boy to Janet Jackson), and even produced east coast shit for Jay-Z. You call what he's doing now creative? lol. There's no comparison dude lol.

The issue is you and I have different definitions of what the word "creative" means lol. And they couldn't be further apart lol.

[Nsykac Steel]

I disagree dude lol.

What he was doing before he started making carnival music was creative. The guy carved out his own lane of Gangsta rap, produced a bunch of R&B (from Danny Boy to Janet Jackson), and even produced east coast shit for Jay-Z. You call what he's doing now creative? lol. There's no comparison dude lol.

The issue is you and I have different definitions of what the word "creative" means lol. And they couldn't be further apart lol.

In the same way you and I differ on what It means to ‘fall off'. Dj Quik hasn't.

[Sccit]

i think we're somewhere in the middle .. while quik is far from vintage form, i don't think his fall off has been as drastic as a dr dre with missionary being one of the biggest disappointments in hip-hop history

i believe quik still has somethin left in the tank

[Soopafly DPGC]

First of all, there won't be any new Quik beats on this album.  There was an interview with Suga Free recently where he says him and Quik have sort of a love/hate relationship.  They had a falling out after Free's first album where Quik felt like Free was starting to get a bit of shine, moreso than what Quik liked, and then stopped producing for him.  He produced a few songs for his second album but if you think about it, other than that, Quik has not produced much for Free in the past 20 years.   

Makes sense for Free to continue to be on Quik's albums, gets him exposure, that's what the fans want, etc....but for Quik to produce stuff for Free's albums who isn't even on his label or anything (don't think Quik even has a label anymore), doesn't make much sense.  When Free does happen to snag a song or two with Quik production, it's usually scraps from a Quik project that never ended up happening (ie Hearts from his prior album and Good Enough from his most recent album).

[Soopafly DPGC]

i think we're somewhere in the middle .. while quik is far from vintage form, i don't think his fall off has been as drastic as a dr dre with missionary being one of the biggest disappointments in hip-hop history

i believe quik still has somethin left in the tank

I agree, Quik can still bring it when he's motivated.  Dude gets in his own way though, how many times does he announce something and nothing ever ends up happening?  He's got the Dre syndrome where he's a perfectionist and as a result, won't ever release anything anymore.  Difference is Dre is big enough that fans and other corporate sponsors and labels will push and push and push to get him to eventually release things.  Quik on the other hand, doesn't have anyone pushing him forward beside himself. 

[O.E.800]

In the same way you and I differ on what It means to ‘fall off'. Dj Quik hasn't.

Not sure what you're trying to say here dude, but I'll take a guess: Are you saying that the same way we differ on 'creative', we also differ on 'fall off' — so whether Quik's fallen off is just a matter of definition? That's different than what you said though - you amputated the analogy and stapled a flat assertion onto it: "DJ Quik hasn't" lol. But I'll waive the missing connective tissue and grant you the benefit of the argument... just so I can tell you why it's still problematic lol.

Your whole position rests on the claim that "fall off" and "creative" are definition-dependent... That I'm just using idiosyncratic definitions, and under a different (equally valid) definition, Quik is innovating rather than declining. That's a relativist move dude: it's all in how you define the terms.

But then your actual statement — "DJ Quik hasn't [fallen off]" — is stated as a flat, objective fact. The contradiction is staring everyone in the face: if our whole disagreement genuinely reduces to differing definitions, then you have no more standing to assert "he hasn't fallen off" than I do to assert "he has." Relativism about the term cuts both ways my man. You can't say "this is purely a matter of definition" and then, in the same breath, declare one side of the definitional divide to be the true one. If it's definitional, there's no fact of the matter to assert; if there's a fact of the matter to assert, then it isn't merely definitional.

So you wanna have it both ways: use definitional relativism to neutralize my claim, then quietly abandon that relativism to plant a flag of your own. Logic doesn't work that way dude lol.

[O.E.800]

i think we're somewhere in the middle .. while quik is far from vintage form, i don't think his fall off has been as drastic as a dr dre with missionary being one of the biggest disappointments in hip-hop history

i believe quik still has somethin left in the tank

This take is interesting. Definitely think there's more to unpack comparing Dre and Quik as it relates to their declines. But I think I'll agree straight away that Quik still has something left in the tank. I guess the question there is what good is it if it's never used? Then again, if Dre was motivated to recreate his vintage sound, there's nothing stopping him either. Who's more likely to do it? I'd lean on Quik.

As far as "missionary being one of the biggest disappointments in hip-hop history," that's a fun rabbit hole to dive into, but I'm not doing it lol.