Is Daz Dillinger a real producer ?

[Sccit]

Thank you for your contribution. I'm a disapointed about Dogg Foid because i thought it was Daz's sound.

What exactly the diference between beatmaker & producer ?

Because for me, i thought Daz, Dre etc are the guys whi actualy did the song'

a producer can be a beat maker, a composer, a conductor, an orchestrator, a director etc all in one

that is what dre is

a beat maker is just someone who can make a beat but doesn't oversee the entire direction of the song from inception to completion


daz was always good on the drum machine but always needed direction from others to make his sound more musical... he is indeed a producer, but there are levels to it

dre, quik, battlecat, warren are in a different tier

daz is there with meech, jellyroll, blaqthoven, scott storch, fredwreck etc.

difference being, daz was involved in more classix so he sometimes gets shoehorned by many into that upper echelon just on the strength of that

[Sccit]

I never bothered to check this at all because it was so fuckin obvious Dre did it. I remember looking at the back of the CD after I listened to it for the first time, seeing the producer  and thinking, "No way dude." LOL.

Daz takes credit for producing songs and entire bodies of work that sound that sound nothing like what he puts out when you know he's by himself in the studio. Just from an auditory standpoint - without even laying eyes on a producer - it's clearly not the same person lol. Pretty much an open secret at this point lol.

yup .. there was a whole thread on that back n the day. there was tons of evidence posted.

[ThaRealSMK]

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Here are the screenshots of the two conversations I had with Barney Rumble and Soopafly on Instagram.

A few weeks ago, Daz appeared on the YouTube channel called Bacc Tracc to explain the secrets behind the composition of "Big Pimpin'." Following that video, Barney Rumble lashed out at Daz on Instagram, and Soopafly responded with laughter. That's why I reached out to them on Instagram.

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[Jay_J]

Those doesnt mean daz dont have the gift or he is not a producer.

Daz always have a signature sound of his own whetherhe is working with barney or not.

Just because Daz is not a keyboardist or a musician it doesnt mean he cant create melodies with keyboard.

He produced songs with dre, dsoopafly, barney, ivan johnson, mike dean and all sounds daz.

so he is good at working with different musicians and creating a signature sound at the end by taking what he needed from them.

BUT, as one member said here, what goes around comes around, daz claimed dre many times for stealing credits. it's not stealing credits.

being a musician on a song, being a beatmaker, being a co producer, being a writer, being a composer are all different things. producer stands above of all.

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Here are the screenshots of the two conversations I had with Barney Rumble and Soopafly on Instagram.

A few weeks ago, Daz appeared on the YouTube channel called Bacc Tracc to explain the secrets behind the composition of "Big Pimpin'." Following that video, Barney Rumble lashed out at Daz on Instagram, and Soopafly responded with laughter. That's why I reached out to them on Instagram.

See, this is why i wanted the screenshots, precisely what I thought.  First of all, Rubble said "SO FOR THESE SPECIFIC SONGS" Daz did not do the melody.  Not DAZ CAN"T MAKE MELODIES as you initially stated.  Rubble never said that.  B) Your conversation with Soopafly you claimed was a few days ago was actually from July, and again, agreeing with Barney for THOSE SPECIFIC SONGS BEING MENIONED.  And then you jumped to the conclusion and stretched it to create the narrative that both these guys said "Daz doesn't know how to create melodies" which was never stated by either person. 

[ThaRealSMK]

See, this is why i wanted the screenshots, precisely what I thought.  First of all, Rubble said "SO FOR THESE SPECIFIC SONGS" Daz did not do the melody.  Not DAZ CAN"T MAKE MELODIES as you initially stated.  Rubble never said that.  B) Your conversation with Soopafly you claimed was a few days ago was actually from July, and again, agreeing with Barney for THOSE SPECIFIC SONGS BEING MENIONED.  And then you jumped to the conclusion and stretched it to create the narrative that both these guys said "Daz doesn't know how to create melodies" which was never stated by either person.

If my intentions were dishonest, I wouldn't have posted the screenshots. Barney Rumble states quite clearly at the beginning of the message: "DAZ DOES NOT PLAY KEYS"—a statement he confirmed in the comments on those Instagram posts. And Soopafly confirms that Daz's production work is limited to drum programming. Nothing more, nothing less.

I don't even understand the tone of your message; we're here to have a friendly discussion. It's as if I didn't have the right to ask the question. I'm a fan, but I'm still allowed to wonder about things after what Barney Rumble said.

Here is what else Rumble says on the subject—take a good look at the comment where he says: "People really think Daz plays keys but HE DON'T That ain't a diss just facts":

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[ThaRealSMK]

Barney Rumble's posts received support from Snoop Dogg, who left a comment.

That's why I signed up here—to get other fans' opinions.

Daz and Snoop have been feuding for years. Last year, Snoop posted a video threatening to destroy Daz professionally.

Since Soopafly remains on very good terms with Snoop Dogg but doesn't seem close to Daz at all anymore, could all of this be an attempt to destroy Daz's career?

That was sort of my theory, but I have to face the facts.

[Sccit]

naah there's no plotting there

what they're saying is 100% true

i worked with daz on some tracks, most recently for my album and he did (part of) the beat

like barney says, daz is dope in his own right but his strength is mostly in his drums

soopafly is unequivocally more musical than daz

[Jay_J]

naah there's no plotting there

what they're saying is 100% true

i worked with daz on some tracks, most recently for my album and he did (part of) the beat

like barney says, daz is dope in his own right but his strength is mostly in his drums

soopafly is unequivocally more musical than daz

As a producer you might know its not only about drums and melody. When it comes to producing daz know how to create a song from start to end. He is very experienced with song structure, where to give space to the song, where to tone it down and where to make it bang. Most musicians dont know about it and thats why they never produce or compose so they stay as good musicans only. Daz is a fucking good west coast producer. He is one of architects of west coast gangsta rap and g-funk.

At the end of the day he is credited as the producer of Respect, Lets Play House, C-Walk, Groupie, These Days, Big Pimpin, What would you do, I aint mad at cha, ambitioz as a ridah...

He is a legend.

Soopafly or Barney never had a vision or producer wise abilty to make those kind of hits on their own.

Daz is only good at drum programming? I dont agree bro.

That n**** produced Midnight "fucking" Love maaaaan!

[ThaRealSMK]

naah there's no plotting there

what they're saying is 100% true

i worked with daz on some tracks, most recently for my album and he did (part of) the beat

like barney says, daz is dope in his own right but his strength is mostly in his drums

soopafly is unequivocally more musical than daz

You're right; I don't buy into the conspiracy theory. I believed it for a few days, but then I came to my senses. I have to admit, though, that I was a bit disappointed to learn Daz doesn't play the keyboards, because I love his albums—especially the solo ones released on DPG Recordz—and I'd always assumed he played the melodies. I remember a 2006 interview around the time *So So Gangsta* came out where the journalist told Daz how much he liked the song "Rat Tat Tat," and Daz replied, "I played the bass on this one." He also claimed to have played the Juno-106 on *Dogg Food*, so I really don't know who's right or wrong.

I prefer to focus on the careers of these musical geniuses.

[b.laden]

Come on man, we just talk here as fan of westcoast music. Ain't got time to be a troll.

you re a hater , not a fan . you said Dogg Food was co produced by Dr Dre ? now lets use some logic
Daz produced 5 songs on all eyes on me , right ? and some of the best tracks
Dr Dre didnt mix or produced these songs , right ?;
any musician or a fan with a ear know  tracks like ambitionz as a ridah and 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted  sounds like Doggfood , same dark atmosphere, minimalism etc..
Kurupt said it recently " the first Tupac songs produced by Daz was our sound , doggfood sound "
Daz 's signature specially in the 90's is recognizable . Just listen to C Walk ..and you re going to say Dr Dre or Barney are behind C Walk ?
i like Soopafly but his productions are totally different from the dark atmosphere and minimalism behind DoggFood and All Eyes on me

[ThaRealSMK]

As a producer you might know its not only about drums and melody. When it comes to producing daz know how to create a song from start to end. He is very experienced with song structure, where to give space to the song, where to tone it down and where to make it bang. Most musicians dont know about it and thats why they never produce or compose so they stay as good musicans only. Daz is a fucking good west coast producer. He is one of architects of west coast gangsta rap and g-funk.

At the end of the day he is credited as the producer of Respect, Lets Play House, C-Walk, Groupie, These Days, Big Pimpin, What would you do, I aint mad at cha, ambitioz as a ridah...

He is a legend.

Soopafly or Barney never had a vision or producer wise abilty to make those kind of hits on their own.

Daz is only good at drum programming? I dont agree bro.

That n**** produced Midnight "fucking" Love maaaaan!

That's what I've just realized from all the contributions here: the difference between a beatmaker and a producer.

When I listen to Soopafly's three solo albums, they sound nothing like Daz's albums. This proves that Daz really does bring his own vision and ideas; even if he doesn't actually play the keys, all his albums have a signature sound—a personal touch.

As for the *Dogg Food* album—and correct me if I'm wrong—my understanding is that Daz primarily handled the drums, Soopafly is largely credited as the keyboardist, and Dr. Dre mixed the album. However, I recall DJ Quik saying back in 2011, around the release of *Book of David*, that he helped Daz with a few tracks on *Dogg Food* and also contributed to *Tha Dogg Father*, though he didn't specify exactly which songs he worked on.

For years, Daz has frequently criticized Dr. Dre, accusing him of failing to give him the credit he deserved; Daz is currently taking legal action to reclaim all his rights from the Death Row era. However, what disappoints me is that, according to Barney Rumble, Daz did the exact same thing to him that he had criticized Dr. Dre for doing.

For context, Barney Rumble has posted several videos on his Instagram page in which he replays the melodies he worked on. He isn't just criticizing Daz; he also posted two videos replaying "California Love" and the "California Love (Remix)," confirming that he created the basslines, chords, and synth parts. He stated that Dr. Dre did not compose the melodies or the drums, but rather directed the session and mixed both versions.

[ThaRealSMK]

you re a hater , not a fan . you said Dogg Food was co produced by Dr Dre ? now lets use some logic
Daz produced 5 songs on all eyes on me , right ? and some of the best tracks
Dr Dre didnt mix or produced these songs , right ?;
any musician or a fan with a ear know  tracks like ambitionz as a ridah and 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted  sounds like Doggfood , same dark atmosphere, minimalism etc..
Kurupt said it recently " the first Tupac songs produced by Daz was our sound , doggfood sound "
Daz 's signature specially in the 90's is recognizable . Just listen to C Walk ..and you re going to say Dr Dre or Barney are behind C Walk ?
i like Soopafly but his productions are totally different from the dark atmosphere and minimalism behind DoggFood and All Eyes on me

I NEVER said Dr. Dre produced *Dogg Food*... go back and read my messages; I never said that—quite the opposite, in fact. I've always maintained that Daz produced that classic.

Read my messages again; there is absolutely NO hate on my part.

If you aren't capable of debating calmly—without letting your emotions get in the way or attacking people for no reason—that's your problem, not mine.

[Sccit]

As a producer you might know its not only about drums and melody. When it comes to producing daz know how to create a song from start to end. He is very experienced with song structure, where to give space to the song, where to tone it down and where to make it bang. Most musicians dont know about it and thats why they never produce or compose so they stay as good musicans only. Daz is a fucking good west coast producer. He is one of architects of west coast gangsta rap and g-funk.

At the end of the day he is credited as the producer of Respect, Lets Play House, C-Walk, Groupie, These Days, Big Pimpin, What would you do, I aint mad at cha, ambitioz as a ridah...

He is a legend.

Soopafly or Barney never had a vision or producer wise abilty to make those kind of hits on their own.

Daz is only good at drum programming? I dont agree bro.

That n**** produced Midnight "fucking" Love maaaaan!

i never said daz is only good at drum programming

i said that was his strength

all those joints you named were overseen by someone else who added production value in the mix (dre with dogg food, quik with all eyez on me, raphael saadiq with midnight love etc.)

that's not to say daz isn't a capable producer .. but if you listen to the tracks off dillinger and young gotti before mike dean got involved on the production tip, you can see how stripped down they are in comparison.