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(God bet Lucifer he couldn't turn Job away from him, and Lucifer was allowed to curse Job with disease, kill his family, etc.).
Quote from: Buddy Holly on October 01, 2003, 08:20:09 PM (God bet Lucifer he couldn't turn Job away from him, and Lucifer was allowed to curse Job with disease, kill his family, etc.). This is a reason not to be religious.....if you please God you get the worst things of all!! I know this was to test Jobs loyalty but he was completely fucked over because of being so loyal and religious. Forgiving God? The only one in Jobs story who had to be forgiving was Job himself!
Quote from: Z-Virus on October 02, 2003, 05:53:31 AMQuote from: Buddy Holly on October 01, 2003, 08:20:09 PM (God bet Lucifer he couldn't turn Job away from him, and Lucifer was allowed to curse Job with disease, kill his family, etc.). This is a reason not to be religious.....if you please God you get the worst things of all!! I know this was to test Jobs loyalty but he was completely fucked over because of being so loyal and religious. Forgiving God? The only one in Jobs story who had to be forgiving was Job himself!lol i stopped telling everybody why i don't believe. it's not like you're gonna convince them of your reality
I'll quote the bible, since you consistenty refer to it in your post. Genesis 1:27-28 wrote: 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." Lucifer did not "betray" God in the garden of eden. Lucifer was God's highest created being, the wisest and most beautiful of all the heavenly angels, assigned to guard the throne of God. Lucifer grew to love his own power and importance, and was no longer content to serve God. Lucifer decided to disobey God's authority. He wanted to be like God (Isa. 14:12-15). Lucifer used his volition to say no to God's plan. It was the first sin ever and that sin of arrogance plummeted him from his exalted position next to the throne of God to the lowly position of the enemy of God. Lucifer became Satan. Isaiah 14:12-15 wrote: 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, F17 son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.' 15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. When Lucifer became jealous of God, his volition chose the wrong way. Lucifer chose against God. He became the first creature ever to sin. Lucifer should have been happy and content to serve God. Instead, he had terrible selfish thoughts. He wanted to rule over everything the earth and the entire universe. He wanted to be higher than all the other angels and sit on the throne of God. He wanted to be like God. Lucifer wanted everything God had: all of heaven and earth for himself to do with as he pleased. Finally, Lucifer decided he would not obey God a moment longer. Right then, when he had these thoughts, Lucifer sinned. He said no to God. God had to punish Lucifer, the shining angel. Lucifer could no longer guard the throne of God. Instead of living in heaven, Lucifer would be thrown into the lake of fire which God had prepared for all disobedient angels (Matt. 25:41).
Heaven is only for those who say yes to God. The lake of fire is for those who say no to God.
God created man to show Satan that God's judgment was fair. You may ask how a loving God could condemn anyone to hell. God demonstrates His fairness and justice and love to Satan through His creation of man, who will prove God's judgment is fair. Even after his fall, Satan is still a mighty angel. He will always be an angel. He is still beautiful, not at all like people picture him a red devil with a tail and horns and a pitchfork. Although Satan is still a bright, shining angel, he has become God's enemy, Satan, the devil. What happened to this great angel after he chose to disobey God?
The bad or fallen angels followed Satan and left God's side forever.
The good or elect angels chose to stay with God in heaven (2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 1:6 fallen angels; Heb. 1:14; Matt. 25:31 elect angels). Since then, an angelic conflict or war exists between God and His elect angels and Satan and his fallen angels because Satan still wants to be "like the Most High." Satan would not be content with his angelic rebellion in heaven. He watched and waited to see where else he could
In Genesis, chapter 1. It tells how God created the earth we live in, the animals, the water, light, darkness, and us. Genesis 1:26 wrote: "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Adam was created in the image of God. He possessed self-consciousness ("I am"), self-determination ("I will"), and moral reasoning ("I ought"). He was given volition, a free will. God placed Adam and the woman in the garden of Eden. The setting was perfect. Wonderful food and shelter were provided, ready for them. God had provided for all their needs. Adam's fellowship with God was perfect, as was his fellowship with the woman, for each was perfect and sinless.
God devised a test for man's volition to see if he would obey God.
Man was warned of the terrible consequences if they disobeyed God by eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2:17). If they ate, they would die.
When the man and the woman were placed in the garden of Eden, Satan was waiting to stir up trouble. He tricked the woman into sinning against God (1 Tim. 2:14), but Adam knew what he was doing. Adam deliberately disobeyed. Satan saw his chance when God made perfect man and woman, and placed them in the Garden on earth. Satan knew God had told them not to eat from one tree in the Garden, or they would die (Gen. 2:17). Satan came along and told them, No, they would not die! (Gen. 3:4). Satan had made wrong seem right, but he could not make the man and the woman sin. They had their own volition, and they could make their own decisions to obey God or sin with Satan.
The man and the woman said yes to Satan and no to God. They became sinners. Adam and the woman became sinners by their own choice (Gen. 3:6). They brought sin and death upon the entire human race (Rom. 5:12).
No, God is not using Lucifer [Satan] as a "pawn", Lucifer chose to sin out of his own volition.
God is not responsible for sin in any way. A perfect God can have nothing to do with sin. Sin came into the world through Adam (Rom. 5:12).
But sin existed long before mankind was created, As I have explained. With that said, God could have nothing to do with Satan.
Wrong. He took the form of a serpent (a snake) to persuade Eve. In turn, the trusting Adam took Eve's forsaken advice.
God bet Lucifer he couldn't turn Job away from him, and Lucifer was allowed to curse Job with disease, kill his family, etc.Satan bet God he wouldn't love him in return if God wasn't so benevolent towards him. So God destroyed all he owned and besieged him with many diseases. Job fell to his knees and pleaded his undying love for the Lord.