Artists and 2pac: The Official Debate

[SGV]

Nobody hates on the dozens of artists on the West who sample Parliament religiously.

Why? Because of a bias.

[Lincoln]

Nobody hates on the dozens of artists on the West who sample Parliament religiously.

Why? Because of a bias.

EXACTLY! Good to see someone else notices that hip-hop is full of phony fans,bandwagoners, bias & double standards.

[SGV]

EXACTLY! Good to see someone else notices that hip-hop is full of phony fans,bandwagoners, bias & double standards.

I don't know very many TRUE Hip Hop fans. I don't give a fuck about affiliation. I listen to everything from Joker The Bailbondsmen, from Alaska, to Immortal Technique, from Harlem, to The Manson Family from Memphis, etc. If it's tight it's tight. Hell, I can't stand Eminem and 50 Cent, but I still listen to their records. Today in Hip Hop it's about who's down with who. On the West if you're not down with Snoop or Dre, especially on this site, you'll get very little attention.

[Twentytwofifty]

How come no one bitches at Snoop Dogg for remaking "Gangsta, Gangsta"?  He's making money off of Eazy E there right.  Eazy's in that song.

Ice Cube was on a Notorious B.I.G. song ("If I Should Die Before I Wake") after he died.  He's making money off of a dead man there.

It happens with alive people too.  Snoop remade songs by Slick Rick, Biz Markie, KRS-One, Dana Dana, Rakim and the aftermentioned NWA.


I'm a 2Pac fan with all his albums, (minus Better Dayz) but I could really care less if Ja Rule or Jay-Z remakes a song of his or any of that.  If Death Row and Murder Inc. put out a Ja Rule/2Pac album you wouldn't hear me cry about it as pathetic as that might be.

[White-Chocolate]

only thing i have to say is.. what is this game coming too? rappers can't make they own songs now a days? they gotta copy everyone elses beats, this is gettin scurry.  

[Casper]

nobody should do it, leave his legacy alone.

i agree...

[R-Tistic]

I think its wrong to say that its ok for some people to take his vocals or beats and not for others.
It doesnt make a difference to me if its for a mixtape or album, fact is they used him on their
songs, wether they make money of off it or not. Some may say 50 Cent didnt make no money, which
may be true but he got llllllots of promo for those tracks he did with pac and biggie, which means money
again, so its not right in my eyes to say that its ok for 50 but not for others. Nobody should do it
period. Its up to Afeni if she wants to do that shit.

Oh and those Djs put out those Dedication mixtapes cause they know they gonna sell if it has
Pacs name on it. They should leave it alone,i think that shit is wack.

I donno IF you are referring to me...but IF u are, I'll clarify.

It's not about who uses his shit and who doesn't, but just the way they use it. The reason I said that it was coo when 50 did it was because he wasn't just takin a Pac song and puttin it on his album to help sell. Now Jay-Z, he re-did a Pac track, and not only put it on his album, but made it his first single. But at the same time, if you wanna see that song as bein a remake, it depends on how u look at it because in the music industry, hella artists do remakes of songs of dead artists...but that is another arguement.

[Code Blue]

You do have to give a lil' credit to DJ's though for tryna keep Pac's name alive and strong. Even though Pac ain't here, they help so that his music continues to bump in our rides and in our homes. Shouldn't that be the big picture?

Oh I get it. You can make a mixtape of Tupac, sell it for 10 bucks a pop, and get props for it?! So, if you just sample Tupac, and put that on your album, it's wrong? Riiiiiight.


Man, Pac's camp is making money off of the Ja's, the Jay's, etc. They own the tracks, so they get money off the samples. That's benefiting Pac's legacy. A Mixtape song, that doesn't have to be cleared or paid for. So, really, they're using Pac's name free. I believe that's more wrong than anything.

When the hell did I say sampling Pac was wrong? Maybe it's just cuz I love Pac so much, but IMO DJ's who put out mixtapes with Pac on 'em should deserve a lil' credit for keepin' his music alive. What I do have a problem with however is wannabe Pac's doin' shit like remakin' "So Much Pain", but it has 2 verses of themselves and only 1 Pac verse, and then they even name they album after it. You can say all you want about Em sayin' he's a "white Pac", but to the best of my knowledge the only tracc he put on his album with Pac's vocals on it was "Murder Murder". And that was a new beat with Pac only on half of the hook. Yeah I hate Ja's guts, but everyone knows you hate Eminem's guts. So why am I biased but you're not?

[SGV]

Because I can't stand Ja as much as Eminem. And, I can notice the wrong in both of them, and not just one. That's why I'm not biased. All in all, Em is talented I can't say he's not. But, for that reason, he get's way too much credit. He, like Pac, can't do any wrong in these people's eyes. That's another story though. All I'm saying is: everyone flips when someone remakes a Pac song, but when Em and 50 do it, it's cool. Em and 50 use the Pac image just as much as every other rapper. I don't understand the double standards. That's what's fucked up in rap today.

[Don Seer]

Because I can't stand Ja as much as Eminem. And, I can notice the wrong in both of them, and not just one. That's why I'm not biased. All in all, Em is talented I can't say he's not. But, for that reason, he get's way too much credit. He, like Pac, can't do any wrong in these people's eyes. That's another story though. All I'm saying is: everyone flips when someone remakes a Pac song, but when Em and 50 do it, it's cool. Em and 50 use the Pac image just as much as every other rapper. I don't understand the double standards. That's what's fucked up in rap today.

thats hilarious


^ remember a pac pic like that?


Ja rule doin hail marys! ROFL



ja rule gets his dubs all wrong...


eminem looks really like pac here huh?


or here...

ohh yeah he's biting eazy-e there

[The Watcher]

actually, Em just saw this thread and emailed me some pictures of him gettin his gangsta on. I couldnt believe it either

[Don Seer]

 

[SGV]

Middle fingers up? A Tupac trademark.


Em, you're supposed to twist the two in the middle, on each hand.


Not Pac like, but what the hell.

[Code Blue]

Everyone flips off the camera...

[The Watcher]

Middle fingers up? A Tupac trademark.

i guess Proof and the other goofy white dude want to be like Pac also in this pic

middle fingers up is a 2pac trademark? gimme a break. so Steve Austin is also a 2pac-wannabe huh?