I can't believe these 213 tracks I'm hearing....

[PLANT]

"Run up on U" and "Find a Way" are real dope IMO....Some may even like "FLY" but its kinda soft...

[Danté Williams]

G-FUNK is still tha shit. It's TIMELESS. You can bump "Regulate...G funk era" and it does not feel outdated. Try bumpin shit from 1998 now...it sucks bad, most of it. Try bumpin your 2003 supa dupa emcees in a couple of years.

G-Funk is timeless...when its properly done. Dre did it in 93. Warren did it in 94. And Warren still got it, he's been droppin solid albums. If Snoop let Warren handle production, 213 would be a  classic, i gots no doubt about it.

[Don Seer]

^ true in some ways. g-funk done well is timeless... i'm listening to "foesum - perfection" right now

[budsmokeronly]

213 is garbage. G-Funk has been dead for years. It's time for a new sound people. Fuck these old ass rappers. Let them retire. 30+ muthafuckas talking about Pimping and G-shit when they're family men. Make way for the new.

name one rapper from the westcoast under 30 who has any kind of impact on the industry in the last couple of years.  It ain't roscoe, it ain't crooked I, it ain't Sly Boogie, it ain't slip capone, it ain't knoc-turn'al.  There is plenty of new rappers out there, but they ain't doin shit.  Hell if you combined the sales of Philafornia, Disfunctional family ost, Judgement Day, Knoc's EP, and any other new westcoast rapper I doubt you would even be at 100,000 copies.  Besides snoop dogg, dre, E-40, and xzibit, westcoast rap is dead, period.

[Don Seer]

but non gangsta stuff is doing ok right?

examples..  Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples..



of those you listed only Knoc made it to shelves over here in any numbers.. normally a bad sign.

hell even WCs album  was a bitch to find (thankfully our local virgin just doubled in size.. we're getting more stuff in... woot! )

[Don Rizzle]

G-FUNK is still tha shit. It's TIMELESS. You can bump "Regulate...G funk era" and it does not feel outdated. Try bumpin shit from 1998 now...it sucks bad, most of it. Try bumpin your 2003 supa dupa emcees in a couple of years.

G-Funk is timeless...when its properly done. Dre did it in 93. Warren did it in 94. And Warren still got it, he's been droppin solid albums. If Snoop let Warren handle production, 213 would be a  classic, i gots no doubt about it.

regulate sounds very dated but still good to listen to

[budsmokeronly]

but non gangsta stuff is doing ok right?

examples..  Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples..



of those you listed only Knoc made it to shelves over here in any numbers.. normally a bad sign.

hell even WCs album  was a bitch to find (thankfully our local virgin just doubled in size.. we're getting more stuff in... woot! )

I don't know much about non gangsta rap, but of those 2 u listed J5 I know is pretty fucking popular.  Way more popular than any of the artists I listed.  At the college I went to J5 always had one of the top songs for the college radio.   (Note:  I have no clue how popular J5 is on a national or international basis, I just know in the town I lived in in California J5 was way more popular than almost any other westcoast rapper)

and about being able to find their albums over seas...thats a poor excuse.  If your a platinum selling artist than your gonna sell platinum with sales just in your country alone.  Jay-z, eminem, snoop, dre, 50 cent, nelly they all did.  which means their are at least 1 million people in the US willing to buy rap cd's.  It's not about how good a rapper you are, its about how well you can market yourself to your target audience.  100% of rappers target audiences live in the US.  Music is not about skill at all anymore.  Could bonecrusher or snoop dogg outrap Crooked I?  Hell fuckin No!  will crooked I even see 10% of either of their sales if he gets lucky enough to drop an album?  I doubt it.

[SGV]

name one rapper from the westcoast under 30 who has any kind of impact on the industry in the last couple of years.  It ain't roscoe, it ain't crooked I, it ain't Sly Boogie, it ain't slip capone, it ain't knoc-turn'al.  There is plenty of new rappers out there, but they ain't doin shit.  Hell if you combined the sales of Philafornia, Disfunctional family ost, Judgement Day, Knoc's EP, and any other new westcoast rapper I doubt you would even be at 100,000 copies.  Besides snoop dogg, dre, E-40, and xzibit, westcoast rap is dead, period.

Well, Xzibit is under 30. He has had some impact in the game. But, anyway. The reason the West Coast is dead is becausethe only people being checked for are the oldtimers. It's time to move on and bring in the new blood. They deserve the push. They're gonna represent the West for the next decade. Snoop and them ain't gonna be around much longer. Let them go already.

[budsmokeronly]

name one rapper from the westcoast under 30 who has any kind of impact on the industry in the last couple of years.  It ain't roscoe, it ain't crooked I, it ain't Sly Boogie, it ain't slip capone, it ain't knoc-turn'al.  There is plenty of new rappers out there, but they ain't doin shit.  Hell if you combined the sales of Philafornia, Disfunctional family ost, Judgement Day, Knoc's EP, and any other new westcoast rapper I doubt you would even be at 100,000 copies.  Besides snoop dogg, dre, E-40, and xzibit, westcoast rap is dead, period.

Well, Xzibit is under 30. He has had some impact in the game. But, anyway. The reason the West Coast is dead is becausethe only people being checked for are the oldtimers. It's time to move on and bring in the new blood. They deserve the push. They're gonna represent the West for the next decade. Snoop and them ain't gonna be around much longer. Let them go already.

New blood is out there.  Roscoe's album is pretty hot.  way better than snoops paid the cost album, yet snoop sold probably 10x as many copies.  People still luv snoop.  snoop is probably the only reason why a lot of people even listen to any westcoast music.  The westcoast is dead because it's too underground.  People wanna hear radio/p/family orientated rap, club rap, dance songs, poppy rap.  hence the reason snoop dogg is the only one on the west selling millions of copies.  Who else on the west coast makes as gay of music as snoop dogg?

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

I gotta agree with u on this....but Snooop/DoggyStyle/Dr.Dre aare the only artists on a major label...so

[gFuNkA]

G-FUNK is still tha shit. It's TIMELESS.

thats true.

Again, G-Funk is dead. It's been dead for years. Everyone is stuck in the past. G-Funk cannot comeback anymore, the sound was raped and overused. It's done, get over it.

...if music is good its good, no matter if its around anymore or not. musicwise all the new shit sucks compared to the gfunk sound from back...

[SGV]

New blood is out there.  Roscoe's album is pretty hot.  way better than snoops paid the cost album, yet snoop sold probably 10x as many copies.  People still luv snoop.  snoop is probably the only reason why a lot of people even listen to any westcoast music.  The westcoast is dead because it's too underground.  People wanna hear radio/p/family orientated rap, club rap, dance songs, poppy rap.  hence the reason snoop dogg is the only one on the west selling millions of copies.  Who else on the west coast makes as gay of music as snoop dogg?

Roscoe's album had some club bangers. Sly Boogy had some club bangers on his. Hands down the dopest indi album with commercial tracks was Godzilla. That album had all sorts of tracks that, if made by big name artists, would've and could've been hits. Yes, the West Coast is underground, but that's because us as fans aren't supporting. We're not peeping the new talent or the unknown cats. Our Radio Stations don't play West Coast shit because we're not requesting it. We request Jay-Z and Chingy, but not Yukmouth.

[ecrazy]

New blood is out there.  Roscoe's album is pretty hot.  way better than snoops paid the cost album, yet snoop sold probably 10x as many copies.  People still luv snoop.  snoop is probably the only reason why a lot of people even listen to any westcoast music.  The westcoast is dead because it's too underground.  People wanna hear radio/p/family orientated rap, club rap, dance songs, poppy rap.  hence the reason snoop dogg is the only one on the west selling millions of copies.  Who else on the west coast makes as gay of music as snoop dogg?

Roscoe's album had some club bangers. Sly Boogy had some club bangers on his. Hands down the dopest indi album with commercial tracks was Godzilla. That album had all sorts of tracks that, if made by big name artists, would've and could've been hits. Yes, the West Coast is underground, but that's because us as fans aren't supporting. We're not peeping the new talent or the unknown cats. Our Radio Stations don't play West Coast shit because we're not requesting it. We request Jay-Z and Chingy, but not Yukmouth.

^^^YUP

And Most of ya'll aint supporting the artist by buying thier CD....all u do is look it up on Kazza Or IRC and download the album....how do u expect them to hit platinum status that way??

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

New blood is out there.  Roscoe's album is pretty hot.  way better than snoops paid the cost album, yet snoop sold probably 10x as many copies.  People still luv snoop.  snoop is probably the only reason why a lot of people even listen to any westcoast music.  The westcoast is dead because it's too underground.  People wanna hear radio/p/family orientated rap, club rap, dance songs, poppy rap.  hence the reason snoop dogg is the only one on the west selling millions of copies.  Who else on the west coast makes as gay of music as snoop dogg?

Roscoe's album had some club bangers. Sly Boogy had some club bangers on his. Hands down the dopest indi album with commercial tracks was Godzilla. That album had all sorts of tracks that, if made by big name artists, would've and could've been hits. Yes, the West Coast is underground, but that's because us as fans aren't supporting. We're not peeping the new talent or the unknown cats. Our Radio Stations don't play West Coast shit because we're not requesting it. We request Jay-Z and Chingy, but not Yukmouth.

try to understand that If u aint on a major label u are indi... and radio stations will put ur shit on repeat if u are on a major label

[budsmokeronly]

^^^^LMAO!  oh only westcoast artists get d/l off the internet right?  Eminem, Jay Z, 50 Cent, they don't get d/l right?

all the albums I named in my original post:

Roscoe -Philaphornia
Disfunktional Family
Sly Boogie -Judgement Day
Knoc-Turn'al - his EP

I bought all those albums.  I d/l Jay-Z new album, and I even D/l eminem last album just to check out.

I have bought a shitload of westcoast albums.  In fact in the last 5 years I have bought about 200 rap albums.  The only 2 non westcoast albums I can think of that I bought were Devin and Dana Dane.  I have probably bought around 15 new wc rap cd's that dropped this year.  I can't name one that I really listened to for more than a week besides Roscoe, Ecay Uno, and Defari.  I feel like I wasted my money on cd's when I just as easily could have d/l it.  The west ain't droppin nuthin spectacular and classic.  They ain't dropping dope ass albums like they did during the rise of gangsta rap.  The westcoast has lost me as a supporter.  Last WC album I bought was boo yaa tribe, and it probably will be the last album I buy in a long time.

thanks to the music industry, westcoast rap is kind of in a lose/lose postition for the artists and the real hardcore fans aka people on wcc.  if a rapper sells out and makes a super commercial album then the rapper is gonna be sucessful, but the real fans aint' gonna like it.  but if the rapper keeps it real and underground then he will please his few hardcore fans, but he won't make shit for money.

and SGV:  yeah roscoe's and Sly's had club bangers, so did yuk's.  every wc album has a lot of songs that would be dope bangers.  but like I said before, it ain't about skill, its about marketing.

If Roscoe's Get Ready, and Smooth Sailing both were produced by The Neptunes or Dr. Dre (Same beat, just pretend Neptunes and dre did the beats) he guaranteed would have done a lot better.    Consumers recognize names, not talent.  Why do you think Snoop wanted to get the neptunes, eminem, and 50 cent on the 213 project?  Cause it will bring a lot more sales.