Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .

[OGCYCO]

I would also rather see Crooked I roll with IV Life Records for the simple fact they know how to make westcoast music. He may not be a Main Streeta but hes from the Eastside. They would bring the best out of him. . . .

Death Row need to prove themselves before releasing an artist as talented as Crooked I. That label is going to ruin a rare talent. He's all Suge has and that is real talk.

[GangstaBoogy]

fucc all of em,crooked i wassted talent on tharow but aint sshit anyway,dissfunctional family soundtracc wass a flop and crooked i wass heading that project... sso tha ssame go for a crooked i album,aint nobody give a fucc about it jusst lyke nobody give a fucc about his mix tapessssss.

itz that eazy ta B a jakk ass huh?

anyway, Crook should holla at Jimmy Iovine & get down wit Interskope.

[Hatesrats™]

Stay on Tha Row & wait until it's his turn...
It's gonna be nothin' but heat..

I'll expect a debut double album..
with all the material Crook's got dun-up by now.



Hatesrats 2oooTre

[SGV]

Crook should bounce with King Tech, like Tech handle him. Tech got hot production and a good sense for marketing. Not to mention, he'd let Crook actually spit some emcee shit. That way, we'd actually hear Crooked with cats like Sly Boogy, Planet Asia, Chino XL, Ras Kass and other CREDIBLE emcees. That's the best bet, we'd get the best music.

[eNgIeS]

Crooked I needs to leave Tha Row. Tha Row has a negative stigma that even IF the music is good, for #1, Suge will be a bigger star than you, #2 Negative atmosphere there people afraid of violence, #3 They're an outkast of the industry because of there negative hating ways, #4 everyone has thought of Death Row as a joke since Too Gangsta For Radio (maybe even before).

So yeah he needs to do that, then sign with someone with more profile or at least has some good production

He needs some hot beats for today that will hit, not some Independant small cheap sounding producer like Vinnie Vegas.

[Diabolical]

lol
What did iv life drop this year?
Look how long they are taking to release a official album
so in no way he should sign with them
Just do some tracks with them,maybe having DJ Slip produce one or 2 tracks but not sign
I think death row is the best place:now they got good producers and he can hook up with a lot of westcoast artists:too short,esastwood,spider,YA,boo yaa tribe,Kurupt,sly...and having hooks by DB,kc and jojo...(and I read a while on dubcnn that he already recorded some tracks with jayo felony)

This year they've dropped 2 free mixtapes, which was quality music if you'd ask me. When they rap over "already existing" beats, they just don't leave it at that. They change the beat a little, the bass harder, etc...they put in work.

Yeah, they still haven't released Vol. 2 Tha New Breed. The reason is that they are still looking for the right distributor 'cause this will be their first big release and they want the best out of the deal.

Thats What I Woulda Said

[M Dogg™]

Crooked I needs to hook back up with Tha Pound, Soopafly, Daz, Nate Dogg, all of them muthaphukkaz on his shit. If Soopafly produced like he did on Dat Whoopty Whoop, it could be a westcoast Hip-Hop banger fo' Shizzy. Fuck Death Row, shit, Trey Deee left Snoop and still ain't fuckin' with Tha Row, they ain't got shit on the game. Or Crooked could get with Baby Reed, which would be hot, Crooked, Jayo, Shade Sheist, work with L.A. Confidental. But fuck Death Row, they been promise to put out Crooked, and I ain't seen shit but two average singles.

[SGV]

Crooked I needs to hook back up with Tha Pound, Soopafly, Daz, Nate Dogg, all of them muthaphukkaz on his shit. If Soopafly produced like he did on Dat Whoopty Whoop, it could be a westcoast Hip-Hop banger fo' Shizzy. Fuck Death Row, shit, Trey Deee left Snoop and still ain't fuckin' with Tha Row, they ain't got shit on the game. Or Crooked could get with Baby Reed, which would be hot, Crooked, Jayo, Shade Sheist, work with L.A. Confidental. But fuck Death Row, they been promise to put out Crooked, and I ain't seen shit but two average singles.

Why would he go with the Dogg Pound? They don't drop shit either. When DPG drops something, it's garbage. The last tight DPG product was Dillinger and Young Gotti. I think Icon needs to say fuck all these washed up gangsta acts and just make some straight up Hip Hop. He doesn't need to be busting over some lame ass played out G-Funk. He needs some hardcore Hip Hop beats. Something from King Tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil etc. Those are the style of beats that best fit him and his style.

[M Dogg™]

Well I was thinking if done right. Shit, it's better than this Death Row shit. He needs to blow up soon, and the only people that even come close to getting commercial is Tha Pound. Aftermath of course, but I doubt Dre would sign him, 'cause his too pussy to fuck with a Death Row artist. Hip-Hop from the west don't sell homie. Black Eye Peas had to get Justin Timberlake to sell, Dilated Peoples don't sell, J-5, Pharcyde, all of them, they don't sell. Westcoast hip-hop, as much as I love it, it will never sell. Crooked needs to pack up from Death Row and sell. Fuck what the haters think, the industry is either make good music, or make good money, you can't have both, and he needs to come to this decision.

[ryoga187]

Crook should bounce with King Tech, like Tech handle him. Tech got hot production and a good sense for marketing. Not to mention, he'd let Crook actually spit some emcee shit. That way, we'd actually hear Crooked with cats like Sly Boogy, Planet Asia, Chino XL, Ras Kass and other CREDIBLE emcees. That's the best bet, we'd get the best music.

i second that!

* ryoga187 is listening to crooked i's verse on the anthem #7.

[budsmokeronly]

Crooked I needs to hook back up with Tha Pound, Soopafly, Daz, Nate Dogg, all of them muthaphukkaz on his shit. If Soopafly produced like he did on Dat Whoopty Whoop, it could be a westcoast Hip-Hop banger fo' Shizzy. Fuck Death Row, shit, Trey Deee left Snoop and still ain't fuckin' with Tha Row, they ain't got shit on the game. Or Crooked could get with Baby Reed, which would be hot, Crooked, Jayo, Shade Sheist, work with L.A. Confidental. But fuck Death Row, they been promise to put out Crooked, and I ain't seen shit but two average singles.

Why would he go with the Dogg Pound? They don't drop shit either. When DPG drops something, it's garbage. The last tight DPG product was Dillinger and Young Gotti. I think Icon needs to say fuck all these washed up gangsta acts and just make some straight up Hip Hop. He doesn't need to be busting over some lame ass played out G-Funk. He needs some hardcore Hip Hop beats. Something from King Tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil etc. Those are the style of beats that best fit him and his style.

How the hell do you know that crook best fits the production of king tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil?

I am 99% sure I have heard every released crooked I song.  Can't think of any of those producers that he has rapped over other than a wake up show freestyle by king tech.  So basically there is not a shred of evidence that crook sounds good over their production.

then we have the 19th st crook over LT Hutton G-Funk beats.  Lame ass played out G-Funk?  Sorry but Crooked I came tighter back then over g-funk beats then he does now or ever will again.

IMO we have already heard the best we are ever going to hear.  I would bet money on it if Crooked I ever releases an album he is gonna sell out and its gonna be crap.

[SGV]

How the hell do you know that crook best fits the production of king tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil?

I am 99% sure I have heard every released crooked I song.  Can't think of any of those producers that he has rapped over other than a wake up show freestyle by king tech.  So basically there is not a shred of evidence that crook sounds good over their production.

then we have the 19th st crook over LT Hutton G-Funk beats.  Lame ass played out G-Funk?  Sorry but Crooked I came tighter back then over g-funk beats then he does now or ever will again.

IMO we have already heard the best we are ever going to hear.  I would bet money on it if Crooked I ever releases an album he is gonna sell out and its gonna be crap.

His best tracks have came with Sway & Tech behind him. "Murderin MCs," "Underground Tactics," "Anthem 7," the "Anthem" with Mos Def & Kurupt, the "Anthem" with Sly Boogy, Locksmith, Balance and F.A.B. As far as I know, if it wasn't King Tech on all of them, DJ Revolution did at least one or two of them. "Underground Tactics" "The Anthem" with Mos Def & Kurupt and "Anthem 7" we darker beats, which made Crooked's voice and flow stand out. Since, I FEEL he sounds better over dark production as opposed to Parliment or Zapp sampled beats, he'd sound good with Muggs, Alchemist and Khalil. That's how I know he'd sound good over that. And, I really don't think the 19th St. Crook is anywhere near the caliber of the Wake Up Show Crooked. 19th St. Crooked I was all flow, Wake Up Show Crooked I had an even better flow and amazing lyrics.

Don't forget "You need to rap over some fatter samples/You're Roger Troutman'd out, setting a bad example"

He don't want know lame ass G-Funk no more. That bullshit is dead. It's not 1993 no more.

[budsmokeronly]

How the hell do you know that crook best fits the production of king tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil?

I am 99% sure I have heard every released crooked I song.  Can't think of any of those producers that he has rapped over other than a wake up show freestyle by king tech.  So basically there is not a shred of evidence that crook sounds good over their production.

then we have the 19th st crook over LT Hutton G-Funk beats.  Lame ass played out G-Funk?  Sorry but Crooked I came tighter back then over g-funk beats then he does now or ever will again.

IMO we have already heard the best we are ever going to hear.  I would bet money on it if Crooked I ever releases an album he is gonna sell out and its gonna be crap.

His best tracks have came with Sway & Tech behind him. "Murderin MCs," "Underground Tactics," "Anthem 7," the "Anthem" with Mos Def & Kurupt, the "Anthem" with Sly Boogy, Locksmith, Balance and F.A.B. As far as I know, if it wasn't King Tech on all of them, DJ Revolution did at least one or two of them. "Underground Tactics" "The Anthem" with Mos Def & Kurupt and "Anthem 7" we darker beats, which made Crooked's voice and flow stand out. Since, I FEEL he sounds better over dark production as opposed to Parliment or Zapp sampled beats, he'd sound good with Muggs, Alchemist and Khalil. That's how I know he'd sound good over that. And, I really don't think the 19th St. Crook is anywhere near the caliber of the Wake Up Show Crooked. 19th St. Crooked I was all flow, Wake Up Show Crooked I had an even better flow and amazing lyrics.

Don't forget "You need to rap over some fatter samples/You're Roger Troutman'd out, setting a bad example"

He don't want know lame ass G-Funk no more. That bullshit is dead. It's not 1993 no more.

Yeah its 2003, year of the sellouts.  Production fucking sucks nowadays, it all sounds like gay ass shit, nothing is original.  Do you really consider production nowadays better than 1993 production?  IMO it is no where near ass good.  There is no way I will ever agree that Wake up Show crook is better than 19th st crook.  No one was fuckin with his flow back then.  But since then it usually ain't nothin special.

shit it don't matter anyway.  Crooked I is wasted talent.  He been rapping since like 97 but has no album out, and he is signed to Deathrow.  Ain't shit happening w/ Crooked I, he had his opportunities and never did anything with them.  And I don't blame it on Suge knight either.  Crook knew about suge before he signed.  He dug himself a huge hole and it just seems to get bigger.  Hopefully his lost work will surface someday though, cause I know he has some bangin ass shit recorded.

[SGV]

Yeah its 2003, year of the sellouts.  Production fucking sucks nowadays, it all sounds like gay ass shit, nothing is original.  Do you really consider production nowadays better than 1993 production?  IMO it is no where near ass good.  There is no way I will ever agree that Wake up Show crook is better than 19th st crook.  No one was fuckin with his flow back then.  But since then it usually ain't nothin special.

shit it don't matter anyway.  Crooked I is wasted talent.  He been rapping since like 97 but has no album out, and he is signed to Deathrow.  Ain't shit happening w/ Crooked I, he had his opportunities and never did anything with them.  And I don't blame it on Suge knight either.  Crook knew about suge before he signed.  He dug himself a huge hole and it just seems to get bigger.  Hopefully his lost work will surface someday though, cause I know he has some bangin ass shit recorded.

It's a different era. The whole Soul Assassins sound is still hot. From Muggs to Alchemist to Jacken to Khalil. That's the production I like. Is it as hot as production of old? No. But, we gotta move on. I'm not living in the past, I'm in the present.

Icon was the total package on the Wake Up Show, IMO. He had it all. Now, he's wasting away. But, I blame it on Suge. Let's take a trip back to 97. Who was Crooked I signed by? Virgin, they had a chance to drop his LP, but of course they didn't. Who know's why. Then Daz signed him. Daz didn't do nothing with him. He claims to have a "Full LP" from Crooked I, so why didn't he drop it? He's the CEO, that's his responsibility. Icon did his duty, Daz fumbled that. After the Daz deal fizzled, he had nowhere to go. That's when Suge stepped in. Hell, he was running with Deathrow the whole time he was signed by Daz. Who do you think distributed the label at first? Deathrow. So, Icon just went to the parent company. I'm almost sure he has an LP done, it's all Suge. If an album doesn't come out, it's almost always the CEO's fault. An artist like Crooked I has always showed a good work ethic, Suge hasn't always been too reliable.

[budsmokeronly]

Yeah its 2003, year of the sellouts.  Production fucking sucks nowadays, it all sounds like gay ass shit, nothing is original.  Do you really consider production nowadays better than 1993 production?  IMO it is no where near ass good.  There is no way I will ever agree that Wake up Show crook is better than 19th st crook.  No one was fuckin with his flow back then.  But since then it usually ain't nothin special.

shit it don't matter anyway.  Crooked I is wasted talent.  He been rapping since like 97 but has no album out, and he is signed to Deathrow.  Ain't shit happening w/ Crooked I, he had his opportunities and never did anything with them.  And I don't blame it on Suge knight either.  Crook knew about suge before he signed.  He dug himself a huge hole and it just seems to get bigger.  Hopefully his lost work will surface someday though, cause I know he has some bangin ass shit recorded.

It's a different era. The whole Soul Assassins sound is still hot. From Muggs to Alchemist to Jacken to Khalil. That's the production I like. Is it as hot as production of old? No. But, we gotta move on. I'm not living in the past, I'm in the present.

Icon was the total package on the Wake Up Show, IMO. He had it all. Now, he's wasting away. But, I blame it on Suge. Let's take a trip back to 97. Who was Crooked I signed by? Virgin, they had a chance to drop his LP, but of course they didn't. Who know's why. Then Daz signed him. Daz didn't do nothing with him. He claims to have a "Full LP" from Crooked I, so why didn't he drop it? He's the CEO, that's his responsibility. Icon did his duty, Daz fumbled that. After the Daz deal fizzled, he had nowhere to go. That's when Suge stepped in. Hell, he was running with Deathrow the whole time he was signed by Daz. Who do you think distributed the label at first? Deathrow. So, Icon just went to the parent company. I'm almost sure he has an LP done, it's all Suge. If an album doesn't come out, it's almost always the CEO's fault. An artist like Crooked I has always showed a good work ethic, Suge hasn't always been too reliable.

Daz bought the Material from Big C-Style, after crook was signed to the row for a few years.  that album is shit done before crook went to deathrow.  Daz was never in charge of Crook.  When daz was running his lil label off of death row, do you think Daz was really in charge?  Hell no, Suge is in charge of everything.  why do you think daz left and just had his own record label?  so he could be in charge.  If suge is involved, than he is in charge.  RAW was completed when daz was on deathrow, shit he made all the songs there.  but it never got released, probably cause suge didn't want it to, so daz left.  Everybody knows about suge knight.  You think Crook didn't know suge before he signed?  shit, he knew what the fuck he was gonna get involved in.  Crook could get off the label too, or get his album to drop through the courts.  shit, I bet he is scared of suge.  ya know suge would be pissed as a mutha fucka if crook did that, he gets pissed at everybody who leaves.  Sure crook probably has 4 lps worth of material, and the reason it ain't droppin is cause of suge.  but like I said, its not like crook was clueless when he signed, he knew very well who he was dealing with, thats why I say its his own fault.