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PG Invites You To Question and Attack Islam!!
Maestro Minded:
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come on now man islam is your religion im guessing... maybe its not i dont know but if it is your being pretty blind...
the quran is not the only text which muslims refer to i cant remember the name of the other one... there is the book of interpretation of the quran created by man that is supposed to be a guide for the people to follow... i cant remember the name of it
furthermore, u completely ignored what i said...
the attackers on 9/11 carried out their attack because of their muslim beliefs... beliefs which were distorted from gods initial intentions
dont ignore what i write and try and make a conversation go in circles
either the 9/11 attackers believed in a fabricated islam or god wanted that to happen...
but on top of that consider the nation of islam, a religion based on islam but fabricated and changed a good deal.
consider the fact there are muslim priests i dunno what u call them that preach and give their opinions on how one should live his life.... they interpret the quran at their discretion...
be open minded
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yes, i am a muslim...
and to be short, no part in Islam allows people to kill innocent fellows, so dont bring that 11/9 thing .. i dont consider them as real muslims... and like i said before there are thoose kind of christians to... for example most crazy european dictators were christians, but you dont cee me try to blame it on the Bible...
there are imans (muslim priest) that gives wrong information, thats obvious, nobody is perfect... there are even imans that supports killing every non-muslims... but there are also christian preists that act the same way... and for example alotta priest have been exposed for being pedophiles..specially in Italy and even hear in Sweden, were i live... but i cant blame the Bible on that, since the Bible dont supports men having sex with 10 year kids... and men killing innocent people
and neither does The Qu'ran
Maestro Minded:
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When you say the bible was 'created' (I assume you mean written) by men, you can say the same thing about the Quoran. You can say, it came from god, but so can I about the bible. The only difference is the bible has been changed, the Qu'ran (I assume from what you said) has not.
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yes.. my bad.. i ment "written"..
but no.. you're not completley right...
the thing is that according to Qu'ran, the whole book is the work of God, every word are taken from God...
but the Bible is many years written scripts gathered and pressed to the same book. God did not order anybody to write the Bible, neither did he order anybody to name it "Bible".. its all the work of humans... according to you, its correct, but it dont change the fact that God did not order it to be written, therefore its not the words of God, and its not the book of God.
correct me if im wrong though
Maestro Minded:
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yes.. my bad.. i ment "written"..
but no.. you're not completley right...
the thing is that according to Qu'ran, the whole book is the work of God, every word are taken from God...
but the Bible is many years written scripts gathered and pressed to the same book. God did not order anybody to write the Bible, neither did he order anybody to name it "Bible".. its all the work of humans... according to you, its correct, but it dont change the fact that God did not order it to be written, therefore its not the words of God, and its not the book of God.
its more of a book written by people explaining what Christanity is and the history behind it...
correct me if im wrong though
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Trauma-san:
Oh, I gotcha. That's a good point... however, I'm a latter day saint, and we have two scriptures, the bible, including the old and new testaments, and the book of mormon... we feel and believe that both are from god. Just as the angel Gabriel brought forth the Qu'ran to Muhammad, the Angel Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith to present him with the book of Mormon. If you read the book of mormon, all through it, the lord instructs the prophets who wrote it, to write it. So, it, at least, WAS commanded by god that it should be written.
Muhammad: Visited by Gabriel, received many revelations, and a book, which he couldn't read, because he was illiterate. Through the grace of god, he could read. After his death, his followers group the revelations into a book called the Qu'ran, which means "read" (Or similar), in order of length.
Joseph Smith: Visited by Moroni, received many revelations, and a book, which he couldn't read , because it was written in a form of hyroglyphics. Through the grace of god, he was able to translate it, and it was a record of ancient americans, descendants from a lost tribe of israel. He published the translation as the book of mormon, as well as a book of his revelations, the Doctrine and Covenants. After his death, they added more to the doctrine and covenants, as future prophets received more revelation.
The two religions run almost parallel, there's really not much difference.
Ezekiel Chapter 37, in the bible, specifically mentions the lord telling him to write a book, of the children of Judah. And place it in one hand, and they will have it. Write a second book, for Joseph, the son of Ephraim (a lost tribe of israel), and let him have it. bring the two together, and they will be one in thy hand. This is the bible testifying not only that Ezekiel, and the other prophets, should write the bible, showing the lineage of Judah, but also that the book of mormon, the record of the sons of Ephraim, should be written, and that both are from the lord. Read it for yourself...
Ezekiel 37:15 - 20
15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
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Ant:
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yes, i am a muslim...
and to be short, no part in Islam allows people to kill innocent fellows, so dont bring that 11/9 thing .. i dont consider them as real muslims... and like i said before there are thoose kind of christians to... for example most crazy european dictators were christians, but you dont cee me try to blame it on the Bible...
there are imans (muslim priest) that gives wrong information, thats obvious, nobody is perfect... there are even imans that supports killing every non-muslims... but there are also christian preists that act the same way... and for example alotta priest have been exposed for being pedophiles..specially in Italy and even hear in Sweden, were i live... but i cant blame the Bible on that, since the Bible dont supports men having sex with 10 year kids... and men killing innocent people
and neither does The Qu'ran
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your missing things and trying to change what i said to suit your arguement..
i said all religions become fabricated by man.. including christianity your trying to turn this into a christianity verse islam thing.. im not defending christians i never was...
all religions are somewhat fabricated by man... the priests/imams whatever you listen to they all give their own opinions on interpretations of the quran or the bible....
i said all religions are because wars were fought over christian influence as they are now being fought over muslim beliefs..
and whether or not u consider those pepole real muslims they sitll used your religion as a tool to influence people in a way other than god wished...
therefore ur religion has been falsified and fabricated by man
so has christianity and judaism...
if you wish to argue with me, you have to argue against what im saying not make up stuff
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