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PG Invites You To Question and Attack Islam!!
Maestro Minded:
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your missing things and trying to change what i said to suit your arguement..
i said all religions become fabricated by man.. including christianity your trying to turn this into a christianity verse islam thing.. im not defending christians i never was...
all religions are somewhat fabricated by man... the priests/imams whatever you listen to they all give their own opinions on interpretations of the quran or the bible....
i said all religions are because wars were fought over christian influence as they are now being fought over muslim beliefs..
and whether or not u consider those pepole real muslims they sitll used your religion as a tool to influence people in a way other than god wished...
therefore ur religion has been falsified and fabricated by man
so has christianity and judaism...
if you wish to argue with me, you have to argue against what im saying not make up stuff
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fabricate (fab·ri·cate) = to make up for the purpose of deception
you're claiming that religions are fabricated by men is equal with claiming that the religion is fake. i dont want you to claim that Islam is fake. Islam is not fabricated by any man, it have always existed and will always exist.
btw .. the terrorists are like 0.00000000001% of the Islamic pupulation. their opinions does not reflect what the rest 99.999999999% think and belive in.
Maestro Minded:
--- Quote ---Oh, I gotcha. That's a good point... however, I'm a latter day saint, and we have two scriptures, the bible, including the old and new testaments, and the book of mormon... we feel and believe that both are from god. Just as the angel Gabriel brought forth the Qu'ran to Muhammad, the Angel Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith to present him with the book of Mormon. If you read the book of mormon, all through it, the lord instructs the prophets who wrote it, to write it. So, it, at least, WAS commanded by god that it should be written.
Muhammad: Visited by Gabriel, received many revelations, and a book, which he couldn't read, because he was illiterate. Through the grace of god, he could read. After his death, his followers group the revelations into a book called the Qu'ran, which means "read" (Or similar), in order of length.
Joseph Smith: Visited by Moroni, received many revelations, and a book, which he couldn't read , because it was written in a form of hyroglyphics. Through the grace of god, he was able to translate it, and it was a record of ancient americans, descendants from a lost tribe of israel. He published the translation as the book of mormon, as well as a book of his revelations, the Doctrine and Covenants. After his death, they added more to the doctrine and covenants, as future prophets received more revelation.
The two religions run almost parallel, there's really not much difference.
Ezekiel Chapter 37, in the bible, specifically mentions the lord telling him to write a book, of the children of Judah. And place it in one hand, and they will have it. Write a second book, for Joseph, the son of Ephraim (a lost tribe of israel), and let him have it. bring the two together, and they will be one in thy hand. This is the bible testifying not only that Ezekiel, and the other prophets, should write the bible, showing the lineage of Judah, but also that the book of mormon, the record of the sons of Ephraim, should be written, and that both are from the lord. Read it for yourself...
Ezekiel 37:15 - 20
15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
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yea.. i get your point.. but Ezekiel is not the one who wrote the books, like God commanded,,,
just of curiosity.. when is the book of the mormon written... maby i will take a look in it
Trauma-san:
It was written, according to latter day saints, from about 600 B.C., when Lehi left Jerusalem and traveled to america, up until about 400 A.D. , after Christ died, and the Nephites (Lehi's people) were all killed off.
The prophet Joseph Smith translated it (Nobody had heard or seen of it before then) in the 1820's. So, critics would say Joseph Smith wrote it in 1820, latter day saints would say it was written from 600bc-400 a.d, and only translated by Smith.
Maestro Minded:
--- Quote ---It was written, according to latter day saints, from about 600 B.C., when Lehi left Jerusalem and traveled to america, up until about 400 A.D. , after Christ died, and the Nephites (Lehi's people) were all killed off.
The prophet Joseph Smith translated it (Nobody had heard or seen of it before then) in the 1820's. So, critics would say Joseph Smith wrote it in 1820, latter day saints would say it was written from 600bc-400 a.d, and only translated by Smith.
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thanx for the info
anybody knows were Joseph Smith put the original after translating ot?
Ant:
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fabricate (fab·ri·cate) = to make up for the purpose of deception
you're claiming that religions are fabricated by men is equal with claiming that the religion is fake. i dont want you to claim that Islam is fake. Islam is not fabricated by any man, it have always existed and will always exist.
btw .. the terrorists are like 0.00000000001% of the Islamic pupulation. their opinions does not reflect what the rest 99.999999999% think and belive in.
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so all the rules in islam that were created to give the male population power were gods will?
or were they possibly fabricated by the male leaders to help maintain male dominance over their women.. it was really nice of god to allow men multiple wives. or perhaps some intelligent leader fabricated the original message to serve a purpose that benefited him.
im not trying to be a jerk, all religions have been tampered with. its easy to see if you are willing to open your eyes
my personal belief is that an open mind is the most important asset a person can have. if you notice how fast children develop and mature compared to adults its quite impressive. Why is a child can cover more ground maturing in 18 yrs than an adult does in 30. personally i think its cuz once u enter adulthood many people lose their ability to maintain an open mind once that happens personal progress halts and u end up being the same with minor differences 30 years later as you are this very day.
u stated you dont want me to tell you islam has been falsified. thats a pretty close minded statement, it tells me your whole arguement is coming from the fact that u refuse to hear a different story from what u have been told before. sometimes being open to possibilities outside ur beliefs is to your benefit.
but its ur life... please dont argue that im wrong though if you refuse to even acknowledge other possiblities simply because its too devasting to imagine that something which has been in existance for so long might not be 100% what god intended
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