dr. dre vs dj quik (one song comparison)

[CharlieBrown]

Knoc did the beat.

By the way, Quik is better than Dre.

d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.

Chris Botti is a trumpetist. If Dre does the beat to "The last three minutes" by Chris Botti, he is only adding the beat, the trumpet section (which is all the "real" music in the song) is made by Botti. So that could make you begin to see that Dre aint as musical as Quik.

you sure dre didnt play the trumpet on that?  since thats what dre plays...

I did not say Dre didnt play the trumpet (which is obvious). I said he didnt write that part.

Why did you ignore my second post?

[Trauma-san]

I think generally Dre shits on Quik, but Quik has a few songs that are better than anything Dre's done in years, like "Can't go Wrong" on Kurupt's old album was better than than anything on 2001, in my opinion.

[SGV]

Quik is a better producer in everyway. Quik saying Dre is better than him is out of respect. Quik is a very humble person who doesn't have to toot his own horn. He doesn't need to say he's better than Dre, his music shows that.

[ecrazy]

Quik is waay better than DRE......it can all be summed up by the way he puts the Guitar in his tracks (Trouble, Get Flipped [roscoe])....and the tonite remix is insane....

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

lol @all the pathetic explanations for Quik admitting Dre's better

Quik done dissed Dre, he's obviously not someone who'll give props to someone just for the fact that he's a legend or something

he could have said "we just different, everybody got his own style, u can't really tell for a fact who's better" or something like that, but he didn't and he had a reason not to

[SGV]

lol @all the pathetic explanations for Quik admitting Dre's better

Quik done dissed Dre, he's obviously not someone who'll give props to someone just for the fact that he's a legend or something

he could have said "we just different, everybody got his own style, u can't really tell for a fact who's better" or something like that, but he didn't and he had a reason not to

LMAO @ this pathetic explanation. It's called being a humble person. He knows that would cause a lot of static and Quik is beyond that. Sure he's dissed Dre, but that's because he felt Dre dissed him. That's done and overwith.

[SGV]

Also, Quik has already seen what happens when someone admits that they're superior than Dre. He begins to cry and then sends his goons to diss them. Example, JD. So, why even say it? You won't be beefing with Dre. Quik'll end up beefing with Eminem, Game, 50, and anyone else on Aftermath. Though, Quik would end up killing them in the end, I doubt he even wants to bother with that.

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

Also, Quik has already seen what happens when someone admits that they're superior than Dre. He begins to cry and then sends his goons to diss them. Example, JD. So, why even say it? You won't be beefing with Dre. Quik'll end up beefing with Eminem, Game, 50, and anyone else on Aftermath. Though, Quik would end up killing them in the end, I doubt he even wants to bother with that.

yeah he lyrically shits all over Em..


he said that after he collaborated with Dre, u think Dre's gonna diss him for sayin he thinks he's better in certain aspects? pleaz.. JD said Dre could never do what he does + Aftermath wasn't a real label.. that's a disrespectfull comment, not just stating one's opinion like it would be in Quik's case

and like I said before, Quik didn't even have to say he's better, he could've said they're the same or they're just different or whatever.. a producer does NOT have to say Dre's superior to prevent Dre dissing him.. I hope for ur own sake u don't really believe that urself lol

[SGV]

yeah he lyrically shits all over Em..

"Dollaz n Sense" is better than any Em diss track. Believe it. Lyrics don't make you better in a battle. Ex: LL and Canibus.

he said that after he collaborated with Dre, u think Dre's gonna diss him for sayin he thinks he's better in certain aspects? pleaz.. JD said Dre could never do what he does + Aftermath wasn't a real label.. that's a disrespectfull comment, not just stating one's opinion like it would be in Quik's case

Of course, now they're friends. Which will humble Quik more. Dre has a big head, tell me he doesn't. JD was saying Dre couldn't do what he's done. Ex: Produce a multiplatinum group while still in his teens. Aftermath isn't really a label, seeing as Jimmy Iovine runs it. So, JD was just pointing out the truth. Not disrespectful.

and like I said before, Quik didn't even have to say he's better, he could've said they're the same or they're just different or whatever.. a producer does NOT have to say Dre's superior to prevent Dre dissing him.. I hope for ur own sake u don't really believe that urself lol

I guess you don't understand the concept of being humble. Why does Quik have to admit he's better than Dre? Why does that matter? It's his music that makes him better. But, it's a fact, you say something about Dre, his goons will diss you. It's been like that from the start. Snoop, Kurupt, Daz etc. to Eminem and Xzibit. Diss Dre and you get a bunch of people who got shit to do with it jump on your back. I hope for your sake you understand that Dre doesn't handle shit on his own.

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

yeah he lyrically shits all over Em..

"Dollaz n Sense" is better than any Em diss track. Believe it. Lyrics don't make you better in a battle. Ex: LL and Canibus.

just cuz he has one classic diss track doesn't mean he's da man when it coems to diss tracks.. since we don't know how the track will turn out, all we can judge is their lyrical ability.. Fuck Wit Dre Day was an all time classic that not many can fuck wit, yet Say What U Say ain't... might be the same with Quik, fact is Em has better chances to win a battle cuz he's lyrically on another level and that's all we know about that cuz they never dissed each other


he said that after he collaborated with Dre, u think Dre's gonna diss him for sayin he thinks he's better in certain aspects? pleaz.. JD said Dre could never do what he does + Aftermath wasn't a real label.. that's a disrespectfull comment, not just stating one's opinion like it would be in Quik's case

Of course, now they're friends. Which will humble Quik more. Dre has a big head, tell me he doesn't. JD was saying Dre couldn't do what he's done. Ex: Produce a multiplatinum group while still in his teens. Aftermath isn't really a label, seeing as Jimmy Iovine runs it. So, JD was just pointing out the truth. Not disrespectful.

Iovine has the last word in case they disagree on something, that doesn't mean he's running the label, it wasn't him who signed Em, Game, etc.. fact is Dre signes who he wants to sign and he's sucessfull and he makes money and Aftermath got hella fans, so yes it is a real label.. If JD thought it ain't it's still disrespectfull to say it, don't u think Snoop would diss somebody for sayin he's fake g even though it's probably true..? everybody disses people for dissing them, that's not just Dre.. but sayin u think u's a better overall producer (giving reasons) ain't a diss, long as u make clear it's just ur opinion and u ain't puttin the other one down in any way

and like I said before, Quik didn't even have to say he's better, he could've said they're the same or they're just different or whatever.. a producer does NOT have to say Dre's superior to prevent Dre dissing him.. I hope for ur own sake u don't really believe that urself lol

I guess you don't understand the concept of being humble. Why does Quik have to admit he's better than Dre? Why does that matter? It's his music that makes him better.

for the reason I just mentioned he doesn't have to reason not to say he's better.. u say his music makes him better, well I say it doesn't and many others would agree, so it ain't easy as that, plus Quik is pissed about being underrated so it's not like he doesn't give a fuck..

But, it's a fact, you say something about Dre, his goons will diss you. It's been like that from the start. Snoop, Kurupt, Daz etc. to Eminem and Xzibit. Diss Dre and you get a bunch of people who got shit to do with it jump on your back. I hope for your sake you understand that Dre doesn't handle shit on his own.

back when he beefed with Ruthless there was many peeps against him being on his own, so there ain't no problem with Snoop etc stepping in

and Dre sure didn't tell X and Em to diss JD, they probably wanted to do it (X was about to drop his album so it was promotion too plus he said he has always disliked JD anyway)

anyway, that wasn't even my point, I didn't say shit about him handling shit by his own, so what u bringin that up for..?

What I'm sayin is he woudln't even want to diss him, cuz there wouldn't be no reason.. Dre ain't all about beefing, look at all the fools dissing him and look at the number of his/his peeps' disses.. he doesn't give a fuck about most of 'em and he doesn't have many disstracks considering the time he's been in the game and all the peeps that dissed him

[SGV]

Quik has plenty more than just one tight diss record. "Let U Havit" "Can't Fuck Wit A Nigga" "U Ain't Fresh" etc.

Just because you're more lyrical, that doesn't give you an advantage. And, to bring up "Dre Day" and "Say What You Say" is laughable. "Dre Day" was probably written by D.O.C. and Snoop, while the other was written by Em. Not Dre. If lyrics meant you'd win, then Canibus would've man handled LL. Eminem would've made Ja look like a fool. Em would've stopped Benzino's attacks completely. But, to no avail, it's about passion and heart that you write with. Something Quik has always shown.

I believe JD said he liked Timbo and Dre, but they couldn't do what he did. That's not a diss. Dre got his thong in a twist and got all pissy. Then he sent out his goons. Which is why I said Dre doesn't handle beefs solo. Hence why not many people want to get involved in a beef with Dre, as it won't be a beef with Dre.

Yes, Quik hates being so underrated and he states it. Yet, he stays on the humble about his skills and those around him. He'd like to get his props, but he doesn't need to hear his the best or anything, Quik knows it.

When Paul Wall said Chamillion is better than him in a verse, the next verse Chamill said Paul Wall was better than him and called it a tie. That's being humble. Chamill knows he's better Paul Wall, it's a fact. But, he stayed on the humble. So, you're going to tell me, because Chamill stayed humble that Paul Wall is infact better? Please. (It sounds like I'm off topic, but it ties in with what I'm proving).

For the exception of C'Style, Realest and Swoop G, Dre has dissed everyone that has dissed him. Luke, Eazy, Cube, Tim Dog, Ja Rule etc.

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

Just because you're more lyrical, that doesn't give you an advantage

u can't be serious..
it doesn't automatically make u the winner but it sure as fuck does give u an advantage

and bezino should never ever dare to come back cuz he's been clowned and buried big time but the fact is he ain't even got no pride, he'll always come back, it doesn't even matter at all how superior Em is and how much better his diss tracks are.. he's looking for attention and nothin will stop his sorry ass


and the fact that Dre Day and Say What U say is written by different people doesn't make it a bad example cuz it's the same artist and none of both is a lyrical masterpiece, but it's  rapped and produced by the same artist and still the one is nothing like the other

and Quik's other disst racks aren't close to dollaz n sense which proves my point


and please stop talkin like u was Quik or he told u his real resons for what he said, u don't know nothin and all u doin is guessing, sayin "he doesn't need to hear his the best or anything, Quik knows it" is bullshit, how do u know he knows it? u don't, all we know is what he says and he says Dre is better
Chamill ain't Quik, and if he's obviously better than Chamill then he is, in that case it's obvious then, but in Quik's / Dre's case it ain't, many people who know both would say Dre is better so when it's close and Quik sais Dre's better, that's a completely different thing than when somebody who's obviously better said it in return of the other one giving him props..

Dre never said Quik is better than him, and Chamill probably woudln't have said it either if that other guy didn't start giving him props.. Quik has no reason to give Dre the props back that he gave to him

and there've been CJ Mack, ICP and many more who dissed Dre and never got a response, it's not just the fools from Fuck Dre.. he was different back in tha day but eversince he left Death Row he didn't give a fuck no more

[Trauma-san]

Quik worked with Dre and was talking about how amazing Dre is in the studio.  I think he was being sincere, that doesn't mean that Dre IS better than Quik, it just means Quik thinks so.  

[SGV]

u can't be serious..
it doesn't automatically make u the winner but it sure as fuck does give u an advantage

You may think so. I don't. Look at Ja, Nelly, LL. They all took their more advanced opponents and still stood strong.

and bezino should never ever dare to come back cuz he's been clowned and buried big time but the fact is he ain't even got no pride, he'll always come back, it doesn't even matter at all how superior Em is and how much better his diss tracks are.. he's looking for attention and nothin will stop his sorry ass

A good diss record will stop someone. Obviously Em's weren't that great.

and the fact that Dre Day and Say What U say is written by different people doesn't make it a bad example cuz it's the same artist and none of both is a lyrical masterpiece, but it's  rapped and produced by the same artist and still the one is nothing like the other

The fact that he produced em don't mean shit. A beat doesn't win a battle. Written by two different people, different styles, different passion. POINTLESS TO BRING UP.

and Quik's other disst racks aren't close to dollaz n sense which proves my point

Those diss records are all hard. Solid diss records, what did you prove?

and please stop talkin like u was Quik or he told u his real resons for what he said, u don't know nothin and all u doin is guessing, sayin "he doesn't need to hear his the best or anything, Quik knows it" is bullshit, how do u know he knows it? u don't, all we know is what he says and he says Dre is better

Flip the question back to you, how do you that he needs to hear he's the best? You're just guessing and speculating as well. Kill that noise.

Chamill ain't Quik, and if he's obviously better than Chamill then he is, in that case it's obvious then, but in Quik's / Dre's case it ain't, many people who know both would say Dre is better so when it's close and Quik sais Dre's better, that's a completely different thing than when somebody who's obviously better said it in return of the other one giving him props..

Yet again, you're skipping around. I was showing that Chamill is being a humble cat by giving props to someone lesser. Same with Quik. They don't have to constantly put everyone down to prove how dope they are. Their skills show it. Fact.

Dre never said Quik is better than him, and Chamill probably woudln't have said it either if that other guy didn't start giving him props.. Quik has no reason to give Dre the props back that he gave to him

Dre ain't humble. That's a fact.

and there've been CJ Mack, ICP and many more who dissed Dre and never got a response, it's not just the fools from Fuck Dre.. he was different back in tha day but eversince he left Death Row he didn't give a fuck no more

He had Hittman diss CJ Mac, so yea.

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

^^nah, Hittman spoke on him cuz he was dissed by him himself, not cuz he dissed Dre

How will a good diss track stop Benzino? if he doesn't give a fuck he doesn't.. he can record whatever he wants to, it should stop him but he doesn't (want to) realize that he's finished..

Nail In The Coffin and The Sauce are doubtless (that's not just mine, but pretty much everybody's opinion) good diss tracks that should stop benzino if it was even possible to stop him..


Dre Day wasn't special lyrically, what counts is the points Dre brings up and he's the one who told the ghostwriter which points to bring up and what to write about, what the ghostwriter did was basically puttin it in rhyme form and that's not what the track is about, same goes for Say What U Say, and the rest (production, flow) was done by Dre as well so both had pretty much the same chance to be classic

Quik's disses aren't classic, what did i prove? that the fact that Quik did one classic diss record doesn't mean he's gonna be able to do it again

plus I consider Nail In The Coffin a better diss than these 2



I ain't guessing shit, I'm stating facts.. fact is Quik said Dre is better [fact is not that Quik only did it cuz he's humble, that's a guess] I don't have to guess on whether he has to hear he's the best or not, since none of us knows what's going on in his mind.. I can't and I don't have to prove what's goin on in his mind, it's not possible, get this already.. the only fact we got is what Quik says

anything else is speculation


sayin his skills prove that he's better isn't getting us anywhere cuz that's exactly what we disagree on.. we can't talk about truth, and we aren't debating on who's the better producer.. I think Dre's better, I'm not saying that's a fact.. I'm saiying Quik thinkin Dre's better is a fact and I base that on Quik's own statement..

u are saying Quik isn't telling the truth and u base it on what..? on some other dude who is doing the same shit Quik is doing according to u.. that's not a prove at all (plus the 2 u named aren't even on the same level while Dre and Quik are & the dude just gave the props back cuz it would be kinda corny to say "yeah he's right I'm better", but that's not what Quik is doing, he said it out of his own motivation without Dre being even involved)

what u are sayin is Quik thinks he himself is better
prove? -none.. just speculation (an example that doesn't directly have anythign to do with Quik is not a prove)

what I'm saying is Quik thinks Dre's better
prove? Quik himself sais it

^^u think there are other reasons for him sayin it <-- again speculation.. it's all speculation, the only fact is what Quik has actually said


when u answer to this post please don't forget what we're talking about, which is not who's better but what Quik thinks who's better