dr. dre vs dj quik (one song comparison)

[SGV]

Fact: Quik a humble person.
Fact: Humble people don't pump themselves up.
Fact: Me & You don't know if Quik was being humble or not.
Fact: Dre isn't a humble person, he'd never be able to admit that he's 2nd best.
Fact: Dre comes up with the ideas, but it's the way it's written and said that matters. Hence why you're points are pointless
Fact: "Dollaz n Sense" will always have more impact than any diss Em drops.
Fact: Quik's diss records may not all be classic, neither are Ems.
Fact: Classic records don't make you better, but they show what you're capable of.
Fact: Lyrics don't make you a better battler.
Fact: Quik saying Dre's better doesn't mean Dre is in actuality better.
Question: Quik said El Debarge is like Mozart(I believe), since you seem to think what he says is truth, is that true?

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

Fact: Me & You don't know if Quik was being humble or not.

that's exactly what I'm saying.. we don't know, so we can't say it.. all we know is what he said.. not what he might have actually meant

so when it comes to the question whether he thinks he or Dre is the better producer we'll have to go by what he said

anything else is speculation

Fact: Dre comes up with the ideas, but it's the way it's written and said that matters. Hence why you're points are pointless

there's nothing special about the way it's said, I coulda written that, what's making it a good diss is the points, what's making it good music is the beat/flow, both together make it a classic diss track, both is done by Dre, same goes for Say What U Say

Fact: "Dollaz n Sense" will always have more impact than any diss Em drops.
Fact: Classic records don't make you better, but they show what you're capable of.

the impact of a diss track of the past ain't got shit to do with whether Quik or Em would win in a battle

Fact: Quik's diss records may not all be classic, neither are Ems.

so how come u claim to know Quik would end up killing Em in a battle?

Fact: Lyrics don't make you a better battler.

false, u can start a poll or whatever, lyrical skill does give u an advantage when it comes to battlin, there's not even a doubt about it

Fact: Quik saying Dre's better doesn't mean Dre is in actuality better.

Fact: I never said it does

I said it means Quik thinks Dre's better, and that's what we talkin about, not who actually is better, cuz that's opinion

Question: Quik said El Debarge is like Mozart(I believe), since you seem to think what he says is truth, is that true?

again.. I don't say what Quik says it the truth, I say Quik has no reason not to tell what he really thinks, I dunno about what he said about mozart, if he did say it I believe he thinks it's true.. that's all that matters

[SGV]

You can put together a "Dre Day" caliber diss? Lets see. Do it. If not, then your point is not valid.

No classic tracks DON'T make you better, but they show what you're capable of. Quik is capable of making another "Dollaz N Sense," I'm almost sure of it.

If lyrical skill gives you an edge, why did Ja do so good against Em? Why did LL beat Canibus? Why did Nelly even get props when he battled KRS? Shouldn't those three have been crushed by your thought process?

I was actually talking about Quik being better than Dre, in general. Not what Quik thought. I was just merely stating Quik is humble. Which is fact.

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

You can put together a "Dre Day" caliber diss? Lets see. Do it. If not, then your point is not valid.

lyrically, I can, if Dre tells me what to say

u don't expect me to write up a diss (to who?) right now do u..

plus like I said Dre told the ghostwriter what to write about and what points to bring up, who's tellin me..?

fact is Quik did disses which weren't classic so u can't tell if he's capable of doing it now, yet u claimed he would destroy Em.. it's the impact and the musical aspect that make Dollaz n Sense a classic in a way Em's diss can't be.. if it was just about how bad each diss destroyed the one they supposed to destroy, Quik's disses (including Dollas N Sense) ain't better than Em's

If Nelly got props in his KRS beef I missed it, he doesn't get any from me for the 2 disses I heard

the reason Ja gets props is cuz it's way above his average and everybody was pretty suprised.. if u take away the expactations (which were very high in Em's case, especially after the benzino beef, and low as it gets in Ja's case) Ja still clearly lost

lol @all the pathetic explanations for Quik admitting Dre's better

Quik done dissed Dre, he's obviously not someone who'll give props to someone just for the fact that he's a legend or something

he could have said "we just different, everybody got his own style, u can't really tell for a fact who's better" or something like that, but he didn't and he had a reason not to

LMAO @ this pathetic explanation. It's called being a humble person. He knows that would cause a lot of static and Quik is beyond that. Sure he's dissed Dre, but that's because he felt Dre dissed him. That's done and overwith.

Yet, he stays on the humble about his skills and those around him. He'd like to get his props, but he doesn't need to hear his the best or anything, Quik knows it.

^^this was about what Quik thinks from the start, not who is actually better (and u know this too, did I even mention a single argument saying Dre IS better? nah) and u did say Quik 'lied' when he said Dre was better like u knew it for a fact

[SGV]

lyrically, I can, if Dre tells me what to say

u don't expect me to write up a diss (to who?) right now do u..

plus like I said Dre told the ghostwriter what to write about and what points to bring up, who's tellin me..?

Take what Dre said in "Say What You Say" and make it classic. Let's see if you can. It'll be the same as Dre telling you. C'mon.

fact is Quik did disses which weren't classic so u can't tell if he's capable of doing it now, yet u claimed he would destroy Em.. it's the impact and the musical aspect that make Dollaz n Sense a classic in a way Em's diss can't be.. if it was just about how bad each diss destroyed the one they supposed to destroy, Quik's disses (including Dollas N Sense) ain't better than Em's

Look at where Eiht's career is. Quik pretty much helped destroy it. Eiht's name is forever followed by that famous line. While, Benzino is still riding the sucess of "Rock The Party" and watching the buzz of The Untouchables grow. He has not been destroyed. People think Benzino, they think Racist. Everlast, he don't rap no more, and he stopped rapping by the time Em dissed him. He still is critically acclaimed. Not destroyed. ICP still has the hugest following around. Not destroyed.

If Nelly got props in his KRS beef I missed it, he doesn't get any from me for the 2 disses I heard

the reason Ja gets props is cuz it's way above his average and everybody was pretty suprised.. if u take away the expactations (which were very high in Em's case, especially after the benzino beef, and low as it gets in Ja's case) Ja still clearly lost

Nelly got props for even coming with some good punches against KRS. KRS was sloppy in that beef. His punches weren't strong until "Ova Here," which came later. Ja murdered Em in this battle. Sorry to say, but he got Em. Em's disses were he was gonna stomp Ja, NOT HOT. Being lyrically better makes you think that you could take someone out without trying. Hence what Em and KR did. Being lyrically inclined, Nelly and Ja, they had to step up and prove themselves.

d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.

That quote sparked this. I said Quik is better than Dre, he brought up Quik's admitting Dre being better. That had nothing to do with what I said, as both are opinion.

[Woodrow]

IMO Both are superb producers. There are great arguments both ways. It's useless arguing over something like this because at the calibur both porducers are at, you're never gonna get a firm answer one way or another.

Quik's better tho  

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

Take what Dre said in "Say What You Say" and make it classic. Let's see if you can. It'll be the same as Dre telling you. C'mon.

the jd diss didn't have that many good points, that's (taking the musical aspect away) exactly the reason it couldn't be classic.. so what would be the point of rewriting the same points?

Look at where Eiht's career is. Quik pretty much helped destroy it. Eiht's name is forever followed by that famous line. While, Benzino is still riding the sucess of "Rock The Party" and watching the buzz of The Untouchables grow. He has not been destroyed. People think Benzino, they think Racist. Everlast, he don't rap no more, and he stopped rapping by the time Em dissed him. He still is critically acclaimed. Not destroyed. ICP still has the hugest following around. Not destroyed.

how do u know who ended up with more damage in the end, fact is nobody respects Benzino while MC Eiht still got hella respect..

whenever Benzino comes up with another attempt to get at Em i see people quoting Em "let it go dawg, it's over".. so it's evident everybody remembers Em ripping him

of course u can't expect all benzino fans to stop being fans cuz Benzino's been shitted on.. that ain't the case in the Eiht/Quik beef either

Nelly got props for even coming with some good punches against KRS. KRS was sloppy in that beef. His punches weren't strong until "Ova Here," which came later. Ja murdered Em in this battle. Sorry to say, but he got Em. Em's disses were he was gonna stomp Ja, NOT HOT. Being lyrically better makes you think that you could take someone out without trying. Hence what Em and KR did. Being lyrically inclined, Nelly and Ja, they had to step up and prove themselves.

right.. that's the reason he got props then.. cuz he came up with something at all.. not cuz he won cuz he surely didn't

same goes for Ja, the difference is that many people hate Em anyway so they thankfull for every chance to put him down, and u know u one of the peeps who's definatly not 'sorry to say' it.. other than that one line about Hailie Ja didn't come up with anything special plus he was threatening all the time which is just pathetic considering the fact that everybody knows he never did and never will do shit

d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.

That quote sparked this. I said Quik is better than Dre, he brought up Quik's admitting Dre being better. That had nothing to do with what I said, as both are opinion.

^^that wasn't my quote, my post was refering to nothin but what Quik said + the explanations everyone was tryin to give and that aren't based on shit but speculations

and u were wone of those saying

Quik knows it.

--> u were one of those making a fact out of pure speculation

[SGV]

You claim you could write a classic, so write it. Take what Dre said and re-write it or don't claim shit you can't do.

Benz is not respected anymore because he kept pulling the race card and is obsessed with Em. I don't think Benzino and automatically think "Nail In The Coffin." I think The Source, Racist etc. I'm pretty sure a lot of people do too.

Like I said, Eiht is followed by that quote. Which isn't positive for him. It will always follow him around.

Nelly had nice punches, whether he won or lost, which is the latter, he still came with it. You can get props and still lose.

Ja wasn't going at Em only, he was dissing so many people so the bars he threw at Em, IMO, really counted. It's vice versa. You're happy to see Ja put down, so don't pull that card, you're EQUALLY as bias. Also, if "it's pathetic" for Ja to threaten Em, what is it when Em threatens Ja? Because he hasn't really proved much with his threats. He still ain't banked Benzino.

Quik wants his props, so there's a reason. You'd have to consider yourself very good to really want the props that Quik wants. That's why I speculate Quik know's he's the best.

[Suga Foot]

IMO Both Quik & Dre are on the same level.  But dre gets more recognition.  They both produce the 'traditional' way.  Both use live instruments, and don't record digitally.  Both use musicians, both use ghost producers or co-producers.  IMO, quik is more musical, but dre's got the ear for quality.

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

You claim you could write a classic, so write it. Take what Dre said and re-write it or don't claim shit you can't do.

Benz is not respected anymore because he kept pulling the race card and is obsessed with Em. I don't think Benzino and automatically think "Nail In The Coffin." I think The Source, Racist etc. I'm pretty sure a lot of people do too.

Like I said, Eiht is followed by that quote. Which isn't positive for him. It will always follow him around.

Nelly had nice punches, whether he won or lost, which is the latter, he still came with it. You can get props and still lose.

Ja wasn't going at Em only, he was dissing so many people so the bars he threw at Em, IMO, really counted. It's vice versa. You're happy to see Ja put down, so don't pull that card, you're EQUALLY as bias. Also, if "it's pathetic" for Ja to threaten Em, what is it when Em threatens Ja? Because he hasn't really proved much with his threats. He still ain't banked Benzino.

I claim the lyrics is not what this classic we talkin bout is about, that's the reason I claim i could write it.. not cuz I'm a classic writer but cuz the lyrics weren't great

the text alone is NOT classic, it's the text in combination with the great musical aspect and the truth in the points that were brought up.. I could rewrite the eazy diss and, and if Dre n Snoop would flow them over that beat back n tha day it would still be a classic.. that's what I'm saying

what counted were the points and the music and I can't turn the few points of that jd diss to a classic

I don't think Eiht, "Dollaz N Sense" either.. that ain't no argument at all cuz everybody got their own associations, personally I do associate Benzino with Nail In The Coffin cuz I never been a fan/cared about him

I sure ain't sad about Ja getting clowned but I'm not waiting for a chance to say 'Ja lost', cuz he's been wack for years now.. the Em haters, even though he's a good battle mc hate him, so if there's a battle that dissappointed everybody including the fans, it's obvious the haters are gonna jump up and be all like "Em came off so wack, he clearly lost" n shit.. ignoring the fact that Ja being better than usual and Em being wacker than usual doesn't automatically mean Ja won.. ignoring the fact that

You can get props and still lose. "

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Quik wants his props, so there's a reason. You'd have to consider yourself very good to really want the props that Quik wants. That's why I speculate Quik know's he's the best.

LoL what kind of a reason is that, please..

he knows he deserves props.. so what? everybody knows he deserves mad props, I do and I still think Dre's even better..

^^and accoring to Quik himself he sees it exactly the way I do^^

it doesn't mean he thinks he deserves more props than anybody else.. that's all speculation again

[SGV]

LMAO. Just say that you bullshitted and can't write a classic. It's not that easy. Take the "truth" and "points" Dre made on "Say What You Say" and make it classic. It's the same as Dre telling you. Because that was just a stupid ass comment.

When fans of an artist don't give props to that artist, and give props to the one he's battling, who won? While you can get props even if you lose, usually fans of the opposite emcee will never give props to the loser.

Listen to the way Quik talks and how frustrated he gets when people sleep on him, it's obvious he feels that he's much better. That's a fact. If he thought he was wack, he wouldn't want props. You think Dre's better, Quik thinks Dre is better. I think Quik is being humble, you don't. It's all opinion. You believe he doesn't want props, but from what I seen and heard he does. To me, that's fact not speculation.

[Code Blue]

I'm not a very big fan of Quik's production at all, and IMO Dre is the greatest producer off all-time, so that should tell you whom I think is the better producer.

[BL7]

It's pointless to argue over who's better. I think Quik is waaaaaaaay better, and always will be. Some people think the opposite. Doesn't bother me.

[Lil Jay]

IMO, quik is more musical, but dre's got the ear for quality.

and a commercial hit that appeals to the average hip hop fan

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

LMAO. Just say that you bullshitted and can't write a classic. It's not that easy. Take the "truth" and "points" Dre made on "Say What You Say" and make it classic. It's the same as Dre telling you. Because that was just a stupid ass comment.

When fans of an artist don't give props to that artist, and give props to the one he's battling, who won? While you can get props even if you lose, usually fans of the opposite emcee will never give props to the loser.

Listen to the way Quik talks and how frustrated he gets when people sleep on him, it's obvious he feels that he's much better. That's a fact. If he thought he was wack, he wouldn't want props. You think Dre's better, Quik thinks Dre is better. I think Quik is being humble, you don't. It's all opinion. You believe he doesn't want props, but from what I seen and heard he does. To me, that's fact not speculation.

dude u should have got my point by now.. the lyrics are nothin special, I can write them, if everything else was the same (if I brought up the same points, Dre n Snoop would rap them over the same beat n shit) it would be a classic if i wrote them too.. I wouldn't have wrote that "bowowowow" shit but that's not Snoop's anyway so it doesn't matter, I could have written the rest of the text, but/cuz in this case the way it's written is not what makes the diss-track classic

last time I explained this^^


as for quik
what the fuck are u talkin about lol this shits gettin on my nervs, u keep bringing up shit that ain't even important for the point we disagree on.. I know Quik is frustrated, I know Quik wants his props, "You believe he doesn't want props" <-- what told I think so? I don't.. I was the one who first brought up Quik's frustration about being underrated so don't waste my time mayne..

according to ur thought process it's like this

I think I'm underrated, I am pissed about it --> I think I'm the best

and that's bullshit.. the only fact u stated is the fact that Quik is pissed.. but that doesn't imply he thinks he's the best, it's a totally different thing and many people are pissed about being underrated, yet not all of em feel like nobody's better than them

NOBODY said he feels he was wack (again I don't get for what reason u even said "If he thought he was wack, he wouldn't want props" at all..) he knows he's one of the best that's why he's pissed about being underrated but that doesn't mean he doesn't think Dre is better

so all we know is what he said and he said he thinks Dre is better so we have to believe he thinks Dre is better.. well u can believe whatever u want to, but u can NOT say he doesn't mean what he said, and put it like it was a fact, cuz that's just plain wrong and totally unbased