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Best Beat Of All Time Tournament

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On The Edge of Insanity:

--- Quote from: Ras Kass' Toothpick on January 20, 2004, 02:35:36 PM ---This is for the "Best Beat" not the most original music or best production job.  
I didn't check the sample for "T.R.O.Y." but I'm pretty sure those horns are just lifted and I don't care where he got it from, it's still some amazing music.

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Yeah the horns were lifted, but so what, as you said its still some amazing music.

I'll put up the group stage voting sometime tonight or tomoz by the way.

Don Jacob:

--- Quote from: Kill on January 20, 2004, 05:21:26 AM ---I'm not a big James Brown fan, but it's not like i ain't heard any song by him. When you said 'sampling' i didn't think about drum riffs tho, but about vocal and melodic samples which would have made your statement ridiculous. R&B, Funk and Soul were all very influential to hiphop and if you think there's one certain drum riff that's cool but if you wanna reduce east coast hiphop to sampling the sound of its musical roots you can't reduce it to James Brown. Plus a hiphop beat consists of much more than a drum loop. And like you said yourself, west coast stuff is more funk-based but it lives off older stuff too. And IMO east coast artists 'lay original compositions' over their sampled musical structures too

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listen to any hip hop record from 85-92 . it is WELL KNOWN how cliche it was to sample james brown. not just his drum licks but his horn section, strings, voice ect. it also spilled over into the mid 90's......west coast artist i give a lil more leeway cuz most of their beats are more original.

ChinCheck:
Raekwon - Ice Craem (RZA)
Dr. Dre - Still D.R.E.(Dr.Dre & Scott Storch)
The Roots - Seed 2.0 (I Thought ?uestlove)

Kill:

--- Quote from: Don Jacob Corleone on January 20, 2004, 11:52:02 PM ---listen to any hip hop record from 85-92 . it is WELL KNOWN how cliche it was to sample james brown. not just his drum licks but his horn section, strings, voice ect. it also spilled over into the mid 90's......west coast artist i give a lil more leeway cuz most of their beats are more original.

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I KNOW WELL how cliché that is and i never said Brown wasn't sampled alot, including melodic and vocal samples. But like you just said yourself you brought up a cliché and just stated every east coast hiphop beat is like that. Far as I know I did not list any beat sampling more of James Brown than maybe a drum riff or a certain basic pattern which would be nothing without the producer's 'original composition' over it. hiphop was always based on 'recycling' old material and turnin it into new shit and if you don't like that you don't have to listen to it. But your point always seemed to be w/c hiphop bein more original than e/c hiphop despite sampling just as much, only different material. And i really don't see what that point's supposed to be backed up by. Of course Brown is overused, but not by every e/c producer for every song

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