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I hate to say this but...hip-hop/rap is negative music
Doggystylin:
--- Quote from: mousehowl on April 08, 2004, 04:15:09 AM ---some of y'all are acting real ignorant right now...but i guess that's why y'all like hiphop, right? really, what's the point in listening to an emcee that promote's everything that you would never accept as acceptable? life isn't negative, it's all a person's perspective. and people haven't just realised it or even thought that times are changing, maybe they're just growing...who wants to listen to gangsta shouting profanity forever? what gangsta actually wants to be gangsta forever? hiphop is the most extreme and fake cult in the world. intelligence doesn't automatically equal positivity, you could be a criminal mastermind and brainwash kids for the government...lol
what i'm saying is, i'm sure everyone who agreed actually meant they're sick of the bullshit and want something with substance, point blank.
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Oh yeah and everyone, READ THIS AGAIN!, that bassicly kills anything anyone has said and will say in this thread. props man
Smooth:
--- Quote from: teecee on April 08, 2004, 10:52:16 AM ---I can't speak for others, but i have turned out just fine DESPITE growing up on GANGSTER rap since i was in grade 6-7. I graduated highschool, i graduated university, i am a teacher, i am engaged, i do not drugs, i dont commit crimes, i dont swear every second word, i have a positive outlook on life, i have a positive self image, i respect women and people of all races.
All of the above despite the fact i constantly listened to NWA, Dre, Snoop, BIggie, Cube, Ren, Eazy, Too Short, WC, etc etc while growing up. My point, only people who are easily influenced and experienceing other problems in life will be susceptible to the negative messages in hiphop. Others will just enjoy the way a beat bumps, the way a mc flips his lyrics, the way a chorus is scratched in, etc.
BOttom line, its only entertainment. And for the first time ever, i agree with NIK: " Dr. Dre is still making the same music, but Steven Spielberg is still making the same movies, while Stephen King is still writing the same books...Frankly, I don't see a difference...It's all entertainment"
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Im feelin that right there... the lyrics and shit fron rap, will only get to you or change you, if your weak minded... ain't none of them forcing you to do anything... it's entertainment, straight up...
teecee:
Doggy, i respect what you are trying to say, and it sucks that hiphop has negatiely impacted you. As for hiphop, it is still a relatively new type of music and i am willing to bet it will grow a lot more and become more well-rounded. If you dont like the negative music though, i would suggest listening to other artists or another music genre. And yo, negativity is always gonna be around us, you just gotta get your head right to the point where it doesnt effect you, ya feel me? As for preaching to others, i think most of us are smart enough to realize hiphop has negative messages.
I teach students who think eminem or 50 cent are gods, and i actually have discussions with then outside of the classroom to let them know these guys arent good role models....i dont think it is bad for young people to listen to rap, i just think they have a parent explain to them this isnt to be taken to serious.
And i have never cared which rappers are the "realest", cuz if any of these rappers arae actually still gangsters than they have fucking problems. Thats why i respect DRE, he is not even close to a gangster in real life, he just makes gangster music. Whether you like it or not, it is the same thing as what a Stephen King does.
What drew me to hiphop in the first place was the "gangster" attitude. Since then, i have aquired more well-rounded tastes in regards to rap, and artists like Talib and Last Emperor stay in my rotation as much as Dre or Snoop...peace man, and take it easy
ZILLA THA GOODFELLA:
U still haven't answered my question....
SO WHAT?
cmon doggy, U and I kno U go thru phases....U go thru more phases than anyone I have ever known and U will come outta this one sooner or later....are U tellin me yur never going to listen 2 yur favorite group anymore because they're always rappin bout "murder"? Or are U just simply informing us that rap is negative.
mark my words....ANYTHING in this world CAN be negative, depends on that individual, little kids, they might listen 2 rap and get influenced but that can happen wit religion or anything else to that matter....There's no possible way U can argue against that....and i'm not justifying anything....
Mouse over here stressing bout how hip hop is a fake cult....now wat tha fuc does that mean? do U even know tha essense of hip hop? maybe hip hop just isn't for U because U was brought up in a different environment....how can U say something like this and be on this forum? dats what's ignorant to me....
Like I said, there's music for EVERY occasion....U don't have to constantly bump gangsta shit, wat kinda bullshit is this?....if it ain't for U, then it ain't for U....DON'T bump it....there needs to be more substance? dats true....but there is MORE substance in rap than EVER before rite now....go find em....jesus, y'all actin ignorant as fuc....
SO WHAT? SO WHAT? SO WHAT?
Neji Huga:
--- Quote from: Doggy aka Pitbull on April 08, 2004, 02:38:57 PM ---and then Neji Huga, well i dont see how you are justifying rap's negativity, your saying it sells more? well of course it does, but it is destroying people from the inside. what im saying is that negativity is glorified and its wrong, rappers might as well promote rape and drunk driving too. Of course guys will like it when girls are getting slutty and giving it up, but think of the future and how it can effect your kids. Stop being ignorant and think about it before you all reply, im not saying agree with me, but i think you should think about what im saying atleast.
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You need to read your own words! What I said was "Rap is explaining the Culture". If a lot of things are negative. Then Rap will be negative. Like it was in the Late 80's & early 90's. It's getting more negative because The culture is getting more negative. Like I stated "it ain't all good". The Link was about Black people losing their right to vote in 2007. I don't see how you can say "it is destroying people from the inside." People talking about the choices they would make, is not glorifying negativity. It's letting people know that sometimes people, have the same frame of mind in a Certain situations. btw Eminem rapped about Rape on his first CD. "Susan, stop cryin, I don't hate ya, The world's not against you, I'm sorry your father raped you, So what you had your little coochie in your dad's mouth? That ain't no reason to start wiggin and spaz out..." My Fault - Track 11. My Point is The overall theme of the Ghetto is negative. Anytime someone says "Ghetto" no one's thought is positive. If you music comes from the ghetto the only a few songs will be positive and the majority will be negative.
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