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I hate to say this but...hip-hop/rap is negative music
Don Breezio:
--- Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on April 08, 2004, 08:01:24 PM ---The meat of my argument is that hip-hop is negetive just like almost all entertainment in America is negetive. Argue that point.
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he already did...he said something to the effect of...
"yes movies are negative but theres a difference...you don't watch a movie anywhere near as much as you listen to a song..."
basically saying that not only do you not hear it as much but you don't memorize entire movies and play parts of them in your head when there is dead silence like you do with music. i don't agree with those faggots who think that we should blame marilyn manson for the columbine shootings or blame eminem when some kids smacks his mom...the listener has a responsibilty to not buy into this shit...but when this shit is "whats cool" then it gets kinda hard...peer pressure's a muhfucka.
and whoever said it earlier...im still waiting for my list of 20 positive artists ::)
Doggystylin:
--- Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on April 08, 2004, 08:01:24 PM ---
The meat of my argument is that hip-hop is negetive just like almost all entertainment in America is negetive. Argue that point.
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Just cause one thing is wrong doesnt make the other thing right, I have argued that, read the thread. That has been everyone's argument.
Also, Hip-hop artists say they represent the hood, yeah I'm sure the hood is real proud of Snoop right now. That is just as bad as your news reporter argument.
ZILLA THA GOODFELLA:
--- Quote from: mousehowl on April 08, 2004, 08:29:33 PM ---do i even know the essense of hip hop? are you kidding me? atleast rappers are honest with themselves? how? they know what they're doing is wrong but they'll keep doing it for money? they'll look for beef to get shot so they can become a superstar? hip hop is a fake cult. alotta of people that are "hip hop heads" are obsessed with it. it's fake because 99% of the shit gangsta raoppers spit is bullshit. it might happen, but they don't do it. and how can anyone say they aren't promoting negativity? half these rappers brag about how many hoes they get, how much expensive alcohol and imported smoke they can get thier hands on, how much heat they hold and people they'll gat down, how many bullets they can handle and how many times they dodge death. and most of this is just in an average song. when do they ever say it's just entertainment? they boast about the sins they commit expecting praise. i wasn't bought up in a different enviroment, i'm still in the mindframe of fuck the police, matter of fact, i'm more on some fuck the governement shit. how can i say some shit like this? because, i still love hip hop, i still listen to some shit i don't nessacerily agree with every once and a while but shit dogg, hip hop isn't honest. c'mon, be onest with yourself. i bet the shit you rhyme about ain't even honest... you know why? because, that's how you've been conditioned. infinite is right, saying all entertainment is negative etc. but that isn't what this post is about. everything equals money these days. don't fool yourself thinking you're listening to something real. what's real is when you go out and do an honest day's work to support your fam. what's real is when your girl dumps you for some asshole who claims to be gangsta. what's real is when you want to get out the gang but the gang members ain't having it so they hunt you down to kill you. living your life like a made man isn't real...
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aiight, good answer, agreed 151%
especially wit tha 2nd part of tha paragraph....
but oh well....it's nothin 2 me....I've actually dwelled on this issue many times in my life....I just make it seem like I haven't because of the fact that I've come 2 realize that's just tha way it is and I don't want people coming in here bad mouthing hip hop and not appreciating for what it is....U just gotta see life in a bigger picture and charge tha pity shit to tha game....like dead prez I use alot as an example....they're always complaining about shit and they're right about those issues most of tha time....but so what? It's good to get people 2 be aware what's REAL....what's not good is 2 come in here and say 'hey, hip hop is too offensive, let's find other genres'....that would be the downfall of hip hop as we kno it....and I see it already too....I feel like hip hop has reached it's prime and is slowly fallin....I don't think it will ever fall completely too soon because urban america will always exist....but mainstream wise, it will slowly fall as people grow and generations change....but then again, how could it? what would replace it? hmmm....I dunno, it's an interesting subject....I still would like to stick to my point that ALL OF US in here arguing will still bump tha offensive shit at certain times just like we bump reflective/concious shit at other times....This thread is good to remind people and get people to be aware tho....dats where it ends pretty much....tha rest is so what?
hector:
of course rap is negative, I've known that ever since I started listening to it. it doesn't bother me tho. I'm not stupid, I don't take to heart what these guys say, its just entertainment.
Look at California's Governor - Arnold. How many negative movies has he been in? The Terminator movies are negative as hell. There are tons of negative movies out that are very popular.
Look at video games. First person shooters are the biggest thing in video games, and have been for years. All you do is kill people. That is extremely negative. Look how popular the GTA games are, they are extremely negative. Remember how popular Mortal Kombat was when it first came out?
Just watch the news. How often is the news positive? More stories on the news are negative instead of positive. In fact I hardly ever see anything positive on the news, its pretty depressing. And this shit ain't made up entertainment, its real fuckin life shit.
Look at our world today, its majorly negative. Wars goin on, terrorist attatcks, homeless people, starving ass people, jobless people, people dying all the time. Our prisons in USA are overpopulated, meanwhile schools can't even get enuff funding. We can't even trust our own damn government here in the USA.
Shit look at American Idol, and that Judge Simon. Look how he treats people. I mean you really can't get anymore negative than that. He just shoots people's dreams down, and probably makes them feel like shit.
People luv drama and they luv negativity. How many people want to watch a movie where everything is all good, and there is no drama, no climax, nothing negative.
There is a lot of negative shit in the world, and I am surprised how people don't notice it. Rap is one of the very least negative things that society should be concerned with imo.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
Sorry, but if you let music affect your everyday life, you're probably a weak person...You're telling me that if a rapper bragged about how cool it is to get shot, you'd wanna get shot too? You say rap influenced you as a child, but do you know how many kids I've seen running around screaming "I'm Tony Montana!"...Fact is, that's not gunna stop me from watching gangster movies, and when i do watch gangster movies, I sure as hell wont let it affect my everyday life, like some idiots I know...What I'm basically saying is, you got to have self control...PeACe
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