The Game Is Proof That...

[KURUPTION-81]

I got this one familiar idea in my head from this thread, and I hate that idea. I really hope that idea is false. But somehow, it often, very often, seems like a fan thinks a certain artist is only cool and dope and all that when they're underground and have to struggle for their livelyhood. But as soon as that artist sees some success and gets some shine in the mainstream, their fans are ready to turn their backs and call those artists fakes and sellouts. .

So true

[ZILLA THA GOODFELLA]

LoL, what bull..
Game was talking about being gangsta before he signed with Dre..
Game's flow & delivery is getting better by the minute, OBVIOUSLY working with the big cats made him improve in every aspect, he went from pretty cool amateur-rapper to holding his own on a track with KWELI & Black Thought.
He used to be have the somewhat boring Fabolous flow & delivery, his latest tracks shows that he's ready to go multi-plat.

Eminem used to rap about raping grandmothers, killing wifey, taking drugs etc.
It's only so long that's interesting..   He's not a teen any more.
And over to more mature topics, but still keeping the "Slim Shady" persona for a crazy track or two, + perfecting his flow, breath control & delivery.
After signing with Dre, Em went from "underground crazy cat" to "top 5 rapper ever".

"50 Cent used to actually come with slick lines"
Lmao, he does that all the time.. but you're so sick of him right now that it's funny..
I bet you're not the biggest fan of "G-Unit radio" series either to know..  
50 hasn't changed at all after signing with Dre, he still says what the fuck he wants to say (how dumb it might be), and does wtf he wants to do..
Granted, a few radio singles was kinda "sellout", but after selling 10 million records, he would do the same wether he signed with Dre or with Def Jam..
I doubt it was Dr.Dre's choice or fault that he chose the singles "P.I.M.P." and that r'n'b track with Joe.  

About Xzibit.. Restless is just as good as his first 2 albums..

[smerlus]

it's not dre that changed them.....it's this little thing called MONEY....

you see, if dre was offering these rappers multi million hot pocket deals, no rapper's would sign or try and be commercial with Dre

[SGV]

Thanks guys. Just wanted to make sure my karma would still lower if I dissed Dre.

[Jome]

Thanks guys. Just wanted to make sure my karma would still lower if I dissed Dre.

@ -1100 and sinking, I'm pretty sure that would happen either way.
Here, have a prop on me.

At least you admit "dissing Dre", can't come up with any credible critic.. ?

[D1G1T4L]

what does karma do except shows how much the forum hates you or loves you lol

[R-Tistic]

In SOME ways you are right, but you also have to think about this. You can't say that Dre doesn't (usually) bring out the best in a rapper when he works with them. Who remembers when Eve recorded two tracks with Dre on her first? She said she was so frustrated in the studio sometimes she wanted to just quit, because Dre was bein so hard on her. But the result was those two Dre songs were by far the best songs on her album. Same with Snoop...when Snoop is on a Dre track, he doesn't mumble that gay shit he likes to do a lot, he will have a dope ass flow and better than average lyrics. From how I see Snoop's career, it's damn near like the bigger Dre had an influence on the album, the better it was. So I figure The Game, if his album does drop, will be showin him at his best level.

[Don Breezio]

i really don't post much anymore but i felt i needed to adress this...in fact i stopped reading this post and hit reply right after i read this.

LoL, what bull..
Game was talking about being gangsta before he signed with Dre..
Game's flow & delivery is getting better by the minute, OBVIOUSLY working with the big cats made him improve in every aspect, he went from pretty cool amateur-rapper to holding his own on a track with KWELI & Black Thought.
He used to be have the somewhat boring Fabolous flow & delivery, his latest tracks shows that he's ready to go multi-plat.

games flow & delivery is average...people make him out to be more than he is. im not saying he's bad but he's horribly overrated.

Eminem used to rap about raping grandmothers, killing wifey, taking drugs etc.
It's only so long that's interesting..   He's not a teen any more.
And over to more mature topics, but still keeping the "Slim Shady" persona for a crazy track or two, + perfecting his flow, breath control & delivery.
After signing with Dre, Em went from "underground crazy cat" to "top 5 rapper ever".

eminem wasnt a teen at any point in his interscope career. i dont think dre had anything to do with eminems growth...i think that was all on em and i think he grew for the better...i do agree with you on this one.

"50 Cent used to actually come with slick lines"
Lmao, he does that all the time.. but you're so sick of him right now that it's funny..
I bet you're not the biggest fan of "G-Unit radio" series either to know..  
50 hasn't changed at all after signing with Dre, he still says what the fuck he wants to say (how dumb it might be), and does wtf he wants to do..
Granted, a few radio singles was kinda "sellout", but after selling 10 million records, he would do the same wether he signed with Dre or with Def Jam..
I doubt it was Dr.Dre's choice or fault that he chose the singles "P.I.M.P." and that r'n'b track with Joe.  

50 cent rarely comes with sick lines anymore...i will say that he's had a few off the GRODT album but i mean...he had more sick lines in How To Rob than he did in his entire aftermath album. i wouldnt blame dre for 50 i would blame 50...the guy wants money...now i cant blame him for that but what i can blame him for is putting out all the crappy singles first...there were some dope tracks from that album but he chose to put out In Da Club (pretty good but got old), Wanksta (wack), P.I.M.P. (horrible)...instead of putting out something like "Don't Push Me" which was dope as hell. 1 poppy single...cool...2 poppy singles...getting old but i can go with it...3 poppy singles and no good ones...you're out of my playlist.

About Xzibit.. Restless is just as good as his first 2 albums..

agreed...i love restless and man vs. machine just as much as at the speed of life and 40 dayz. xzibit hasnt changed. (although i havent heard the new single yet)

[Code Blue]

Xzibit's style hasn't changed much, but he has changed personally.

[R-Tistic]

Luke, jus addin that 21 Questions was also a single.

[Suffice]

Xzibit's "Restless" was definitely on the same level as a mainstream album as "40 dayz.." and "At the Speed of Life" as underground albums. Dre provided stellar beats, and X made a great commercial album. "Man Vs. Machine" was a mainstream album in which X tried to pull it off without Dre. Didn't work that well, although there are some great tracks on there. The new single "Ride and Smoke" is ridiculously horrible. X is trying too many things right now. He should just stick to SAS and Likwit projects right now if anything, fuck taht southern bullshit. But dre didn't change Xzibit, he just provided X with the opportunity to change.

50. Well, what can i say? 50 has never been a good rapper, even in his "power of the dollar" days. i can say, though, that Dre didn't give 50 good beats. All of dre's work on 50's newest album were very bad "IF i can't", "Back down", "heat"(wasn't THAT bad), except for "in da club", a dope beat. Dre didn't change 50, but dre created the illusion of something out of nothing for the audience in the face of 50cent.

Now, i totally disagree with what the postmaker had to say about Eminem. Eminem ruined his own style starting with "eminem show". His multi platinum albums "Slim shady LP" and "Marshall Mathers LP" showed that he could be witty, controversial, and creative, and still sell. "eminem show" showed that he just became lazy of making creative shit, and setteled with a monotonous flow, although his rhyme structure might have improved. HIs topics nowadays are boring and he doesnt' stand out in songs on which he appears anymore. Dre actually made eminem what he was, and then Eminem changed on his own.  

I can't really comment on the Game, he is yet to release an album, but i think he's nothing special at all. His flow ain't all that great, his voice is boring, his subject matter is boring, his lyrics are borin. i don't see how dre can pull off another 50 with The Game. They're hardly different rappers. I feel the need of some fresh rappers in the aftermath camp, and it's not Stat Quo, not G-Unit, not Lloyd banks, not Game, but somebody like Sly Boogy or Crooked I. They're still relatively unknown and i know for a fact they would kill a Dre produced or executive produced album.

[CRAFTY]

I'm not gonna waste my time by trying to convince someone that Em, Xzibit & 50 are still good artists when working with Dre.
T-Dogg & Jome's arguments are the ones I agree with.

[On The Edge of Insanity]

Dre(now) ruins an artist. First it was Eminem, then Xzibit, 50 Cent and now Game. All these artists used to have a different style, they'd all usually spit ill shit(even 50, though I disliked him then). Eminem used to be one of the illest out, now he just mumbles some random thug shit. Xzibit used to spit about real issues, then out of nowhere he became a gangsta and made two subpar albums. 50 Cent used to actually come with slick lines and was creative, now he's another Ja Rule. All these cats aligned with Dre and now they start spitting garbage(dumbing down for their audience, so what does that say about their audience?).

This is The Game at his best:
Memph Bleek Iz
I'm Lookin'
What Type Of Nigga
All I Know

Now he's changed his voice and flow. Here he was spittin' different shit each time. But, since he's riding for Dre, all he talks about is how gangsta he is. Don't come in here with some hater shit. I got tracks to back up what I say. Truth!

Co-sign.

And stop blaming it on the industry. As long as cats like Dre who hold influential positions in the industry keep giving us watered down shit, and dumb fake gangsta shit, that is what the industry will continue to be. If Dre really cared artistically then he wouldn't make albums that are commercial as hell. If he came out with some Chronic esque ish and it sold well then the whole industry would see that hiphop can be dope without being totally commercial and we would see more quality hiphop in the charts. Just look at the effect Kanye West is currently having on the industry, who would ever have thought you would see/hear Dilated Peoples on commercial radio top ten countdowns on a regular basis?

[UKnowWhatItIs: welcome to my traps....game over]

Im glad that The Game changed his voice...his old one sounded all fucked up & rusty

[SGV]

I gotta agree with Waitin' For The DJ. On point.

Jome, you're such a clown. You never listened to the Game until he was Aftermath, so quiet down. He was ripping tracks with Bun B, Tela, Young Noble, among others BEFORE he was Aftermath. LMAO @ Amateur. His flow is rough now, it used to be REAL smooth. His voice was more like Shyne back in the day, now he sounds like he's losing his voice each time he raps. Don't try to tell me about The Game, you're a new fan, just like you are with every other rapper out there.

Eminem is like 30 now, he been out(commercially) since 99. He was about 24/25. LMAO @ Making an excuse for a grown ass man. I won't even continue on with that. A teen, haha. You're a clown.

[Verse - Eminem]
Who's trying to be the first one
To catch this blade in the throat?!
You know them po po don't let me hold 'em toasters no more!
I just clapped at three, you gon be number four!
If you don't back the fuck up and get the fuck off the floor!
My crew is taking over as soon as we hit the door!
You hit the door, but we comin in and you going home!
Security, they can't even stop us because they know!
Running avenues, soldiers hold us down, rep where ever we go!
Chugging on our 40's and holding our forty-fo's!
We come wit toasters like we just opened savings and loans!
And we don't need your brew tonight homie we brought our own!
So grab whatever you sipping on and let's get it on!!

[Eminem]
I probably got a screw loose or two, or maybe three or four of 'em
Some fell out and hit the floor
All I know is ever since my fuckin' head hit the snowbank
I been a little Neanderthalish, no thanks to my man D'Angelo Bailey
But I just take it slow daily, my biggest dilemma's
Tryin' to figure whether to use the flat head or the Phillips
Or just go to the Home Depot and pick the new power drill up
Gives me two hours and six days and I'm still up
I feel like I'm about to snap any minute
There's a new Tower Records about to stop and get a fill-up
Pick the new Cypress Hill up
And go find who did that shit to Xzibit
And go fill up a whole liquor bottle with piss
And shatter his fuckin lips wit' it

[Verse - Eminem]
Everywhere we go people know that we roll deep as fuck
Fourty fifty Samoans, they knowing when D-Bo was
50, Tweezy, Obie there won't be no hoe in us
They pop shit like they gon do shit but no one does
From New York down to Texas, back up to Los Angeles
We've changed the way we move so man up if you can't adjust
You may end up getting rushed by too many to handle us
It's funny, I guess money does have its advantages
And it isn't that we just think that we can't be touched
It's not like we're just feeling ourselves that much
It's just, that if someone ever does put us in the clutch
We just know that y'all ain't gon be the one who's gon do it
Cause first of all you're pussy and everybody can see that
You fuck around, get caught in a spot that you shouldn't be at
That you got no business being in, we ain't even gon be in it
No one's gunna hear nothing, no one's gunna see this shit
And they'll be in and up out of it, them boys is bout it, bout it
The noise from (?) be drowned out by the crowd
And you'll be laying on the ground getting trampled by people dancing
Till the club closes, and clears out
And that's when they see you flatened
Nobody saw it happen, all cause your jaws are flapping
And you couldn't stop yapping and took it past rapping
It ain't about the music no more, it's bout trying to show off
And it feels like any minute the bomb is bout to go off


You're right, Eminem is so mature now.  

LMAO @ 50 still has slick lines. You're the only one thinking that.

Restless was OK at best. It was PRODUCTION driven, not lyric driven. I don't give credit to X for beats, at all. He's an emcee, not a producer. His lyrics stepped down a lot on Restless. It wasn't even his most sucessful point either. 40 Dayz... produced his most sucessful single, so what does that tell you? And whoever said "Ride N Smoke" is horrible has got to be kidding me. That is the best Xzibit has been in years.