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Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
smerlus:
The implacability of the Arabs was evident when Jewish Agency representatives David Horowitz and Abba Eban made a last-ditch effort to reach a compromise in a meeting with Arab League Secretary-General Azzam Pasha on September 16, 1947. Pasha told them bluntly:
The Arab world is not in a compromising mood. It's likely, Mr. Horowitz, that your plan is rational and logical, but the fate of nations is not decided by rational logic. Nations never concede; they fight. You won't get anything by peaceful means or compromise. You can, perhaps, get something, but only by the force of your arms. We shall try to defeat you. I am not sure we'll succeed, but we'll try. We were able to drive out the Crusaders, but on the other hand we lost Spain and Persia. It may be that we shall lose Palestine. But it's too late to talk of peaceful solutions.
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guess they should have compromised then
that right there shuts your whole arguement up "becareful what you wish for you just might get it"
Maradona:
Israel Snubs Mideast 'Quartet' Delegation
By JOSEF FEDERMAN, AP
JERUSALEM (July 7) - Israel snubbed a delegation of Mideast mediators that had come to discuss its planned withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, officials said Wednesday, further undermining efforts to promote an internationally backed peace plan for the region.
The representatives of the so-called Quartet - comprising the United States, the European Union, the United Nations and Russia - are in the region to promote the Gaza withdrawal.
The Quartet wants the withdrawal to be part of the "road map," its broader peace plan that envisions an independent Palestinian state by 2005.
Israeli officials, however, decided not to meet with the diplomats during a stop in Jerusalem on Tuesday - the latest sign that the Jewish state is attempting to exclude Europeans from Mideast peacemaking ahead of its planned Gaza withdrawal.
"We do not work with the Europeans on security issues. We don't want to work with the Europeans on security issues," said Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's spokesman, Asaf Shariv.
"We work with the Americans on these issues. There are a lot of other issues, like economic, that we would be happy to work on with the Europeans," Shariv said.
Shariv denied Israel had refused to meet the Quartet. He said Israel first wants to talk to a White House delegation arriving later this week before discussing the withdrawal plan with others.
Israel has often accused Europe of being biased toward the Palestinians, and preferred to deal directly with the United States.
The government has progressively distanced itself from the road map, which calls for a negotiated settlement with the Palestinians, since it signed on to the plan a year ago.
Sharon has refused to talk with the Palestinians as he prepares the Gaza pullout. Instead, he has asked Egypt, which borders Gaza, to help train Palestinian security forces and to ensure calm.
A diplomatic source expressed surprise at the Israeli snub. He said the EU has held a series of "very constructive" meetings with Israel on the Gaza plan.
"The message from the Israelis is that European contributions that help to make Gaza withdrawal a success will be very welcome," the source said, on condition of anonymity.
The Quartet envoys met Wednesday with Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia in the West Bank town of Ramallah. Later, Qureia met with David Satterfield, the American representative at the talks.
"If it is true that Israeli officials would not meet with the Quartet, it means that Israel is turning its back to the entire world," Qureia said.
At the meetings, Queria criticized Israeli settlements, the construction of a West Bank separation barrier and the targeted killings of Palestinian militants, Palestinian officials said. The officials said Satterfield emphasized that the United States continues to support President Bush's vision of a Palestinian state living peacefully alongside Israel, as set out in the road map plan.
While U.S. officials say they are committed to the plan, Washington has sent mixed signals over its implementation.
A set of letters that Sharon and Bush exchanged in Washington last April did not mention the Quartet.
In the letters, Israel presented its plans for a Gaza withdrawal, while the United States offered unprecedented backing for Israel on the sensitive issues of Jewish settlements and Palestinian refugees.
The assurances enraged Palestinians, and several European countries criticized Bush's support.
But this week, Secretary of State Colin Powell told Israel to pick up the pace of dismantling settlement outposts in the West Bank, as required by the road map.
Talk of uprooting settlements in Gaza and the West Bank has angered settlers and their hard-line supporters in Israel, raising concerns of a potential extremist threat. Sharon admitted earlier this week that he felt he could be at risk.
On Wednesday, Shin Bet chief Avi Dichter met with settler leaders to discuss the threats.
Dichter said he has no evidence of specific threats against Sharon or other officials, but that he remains concerned about growing extremism, security officials said.
Dichter and the settlers pledged to increase cooperation to isolate extremist elements.
The threat of violence strikes a deep chord in Israel. Many politicians and security officials still blame themselves for ignoring the warning signs ahead of the 1995 assassination of then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin by an ultranationalist Jew.
In new fighting Wednesday, Israeli troops shot and killed an armed Palestinian man in a refugee camp on the outskirts of the West Bank city of Nablus. Palestinians said the man belonged to the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a Palestinian militant group.
07/07/04 15:57 EDT
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published
smerlus:
so to further defame israel you pull up an article that says that they will work with the US to back out of the gaza strip and not the Europeans....good job...i really hate those jewish people now
Maradona:
Wow, you really are an idiot. Here let me show you something, if you can't do the math, tell me and I'll do it for you.
"Israel's foreign minister yesterday told the Bush administration that his nation will not abide by a World Court ruling on the legality of its West Bank barrier and pressed for U.S. support to block any U.N. action against the Jewish state.....
The White House also objects to intervention on the matter from the International Court of Justice, also known as the World Court. In a January filing with the World Court, the Bush administration said the top U.N. court does not have jurisdiction to mediate the dispute."
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040702-115949-9770r.htm
Now why in the hell would Israel want to deal with anyone but the U.S. when the U.S. basically lets Israel do whatever it pleases. Israel wants to disregard the U.N. court and the U.S. says that's okay. LOL. Seriously, if you can't put 2 and 2 together here, I feel sorry for you.
smerlus:
i'm glad they want to handle it themselves...when the palistinians declared war on the jewish people and said that they were going to wipe out every last one of them....they got what they deserved
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