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Quote from: Don Rizzle on July 09, 2004, 05:38:42 PMisraeli propergander. please don't post in these threads if u can't think for youself, all you do is follow the republican line which is very generous to israelis and not a good mediator of peace in the current administration.Listen up you little tool. You yourself said that you are new to this topic of study. How are you gonna dismiss this as "propaganda" when It can be backed up by facts?You're biased, ignorant of history, and pitifully mistaken in your views. You don't have a moral leg to stand on, so you dismiss information that goes against your views as propaganda. YOU need to think for yourself and get your head out of your ass.I Geezy LIVES in Israel and deals with this shit everyday. How are you gonna come in, with your new information you got off of biased websites, and tell him what his country needs to do?!
israeli propergander. please don't post in these threads if u can't think for youself, all you do is follow the republican line which is very generous to israelis and not a good mediator of peace in the current administration.
Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on July 08, 2004, 11:57:29 PMQuote from: Don Rizzle on July 08, 2004, 05:27:37 PM1) jews were not entitled to the land2) israel regected the partition and the cease fire agreement anyway because it was too small, and showed little interest in peace intiatives3) israel got arabs off the land by any means 4) the arab nations generally attacked the expanded part of israel not included in the partition5) look at israel on a map palestine is cut in 2, and israel is much bigger than the two halves put together.6) year on year israels terrirtory has expanded7) arabs and in particular palestinians have incured far more deaths and injuries since israel was started8 ) israel pays little attention to international watchdogs and organisations like the UN or even international law9) israel has one of the largest nuclear stock piles of weapons in the world and has not signed up to the non proliferication treaty so is not subject to sanctions and opporates on a "no show no tell policy" while they expect the rest of the middle east to be put under international pressure to not produce nuclear weapons (eg iran)10) in whats left of palestine the israeli army enjoys shooting small children, buldozing farms and houses to the ground, firering missles and tank shells into the refugee camps especially when large crowds are present, have military check points everywhere.11) in 1947 the area allocated to the jews by the UN had a jewish population of 520,000. there are now over 4 million palestinian refugees at the present day.who do u think got a raw deal?1.never entitled to the Land?- So YOU'RE the authority on this metter?....2.At What time exactly?-There was no fire untill Israel was atacked ....The closest time any side rejected a peace treaty, was the Last Camp david atempt when Arafat was granted 97% of the demand and declined.3.Is this a joke?! Israel's original territory when the arab nations atacked was minimal, The only reason it was atacked was cause Egypt and Syria had long term egagement plans, to which a possible Jewish state in the middle was an obstacle....4.yea, That's why all this time we've had Arabs that have been considered Israeli Citizents and had a great amount of support among them towards millitant groups in the authority, and to think these guys even have representation in our Parlament(the Kneset)....5.And?- We were even bigger when we had the Sinai peninsula, and south lebanon-and we gave it up(for peace), how many territories of the same size of the Palestinian territories could feat in there?6. oh really?!!....read this again^^^7.As far as Palestinians go> possible, never counted, not sure u have, don't forget their natural reproduction figures are also much higher, and so is the amount of hostillity, add that up, I think it makes sence. 8.Really, you could say the same as for the Palestinian Authority and the rest of the Arab Nations, throughout these 56 years. Since the primary decision was to grant Israel with a state and they have nagated it's existance throughout this time, Plus, I wasn't aware that supporting terrorism is one of the UN's newest resolutions. And how come u care for UN's resolutions suddenly, you disagree with the UN's decision just as much, I quote u:"1) jews were not entitled to the land"9. So does the USA...And Israel expects nothing, we can only hope, it's a question of hostillity.10. ENJOY'S?!!...yea, sure, that's our main mission to kill as many incocents as possible, we're the ones who proclaimed Jihad, And preached for KILLING and SLAUTERING as many people as possible cause it should prolly get us to heaven, so we coculd chill with 70 sumthin virgins....11.And they could have a state already, if that was what their leadership really wanted.... A RAW DEAL?!...If they did get a raw deal it's only cause their own leadership was dealing.... you mean u were defeated in south lebanon it became to bloody for u. and with reference to u not being entitled to the land in 1948 it wasn't in the juristiction of the UN to devide up countries.`you would have thaught a newly formed country would have obide by what the internation community tells it then through the body which governs everyone and should be forced to comply. but instead isreal is usualy shielded by america and america needs to learn to be an honest and unbiased friend to both sides for equality peace to last in the region.
Quote from: Don Rizzle on July 08, 2004, 05:27:37 PM1) jews were not entitled to the land2) israel regected the partition and the cease fire agreement anyway because it was too small, and showed little interest in peace intiatives3) israel got arabs off the land by any means 4) the arab nations generally attacked the expanded part of israel not included in the partition5) look at israel on a map palestine is cut in 2, and israel is much bigger than the two halves put together.6) year on year israels terrirtory has expanded7) arabs and in particular palestinians have incured far more deaths and injuries since israel was started8 ) israel pays little attention to international watchdogs and organisations like the UN or even international law9) israel has one of the largest nuclear stock piles of weapons in the world and has not signed up to the non proliferication treaty so is not subject to sanctions and opporates on a "no show no tell policy" while they expect the rest of the middle east to be put under international pressure to not produce nuclear weapons (eg iran)10) in whats left of palestine the israeli army enjoys shooting small children, buldozing farms and houses to the ground, firering missles and tank shells into the refugee camps especially when large crowds are present, have military check points everywhere.11) in 1947 the area allocated to the jews by the UN had a jewish population of 520,000. there are now over 4 million palestinian refugees at the present day.who do u think got a raw deal?1.never entitled to the Land?- So YOU'RE the authority on this metter?....2.At What time exactly?-There was no fire untill Israel was atacked ....The closest time any side rejected a peace treaty, was the Last Camp david atempt when Arafat was granted 97% of the demand and declined.3.Is this a joke?! Israel's original territory when the arab nations atacked was minimal, The only reason it was atacked was cause Egypt and Syria had long term egagement plans, to which a possible Jewish state in the middle was an obstacle....4.yea, That's why all this time we've had Arabs that have been considered Israeli Citizents and had a great amount of support among them towards millitant groups in the authority, and to think these guys even have representation in our Parlament(the Kneset)....5.And?- We were even bigger when we had the Sinai peninsula, and south lebanon-and we gave it up(for peace), how many territories of the same size of the Palestinian territories could feat in there?6. oh really?!!....read this again^^^7.As far as Palestinians go> possible, never counted, not sure u have, don't forget their natural reproduction figures are also much higher, and so is the amount of hostillity, add that up, I think it makes sence. 8.Really, you could say the same as for the Palestinian Authority and the rest of the Arab Nations, throughout these 56 years. Since the primary decision was to grant Israel with a state and they have nagated it's existance throughout this time, Plus, I wasn't aware that supporting terrorism is one of the UN's newest resolutions. And how come u care for UN's resolutions suddenly, you disagree with the UN's decision just as much, I quote u:"1) jews were not entitled to the land"9. So does the USA...And Israel expects nothing, we can only hope, it's a question of hostillity.10. ENJOY'S?!!...yea, sure, that's our main mission to kill as many incocents as possible, we're the ones who proclaimed Jihad, And preached for KILLING and SLAUTERING as many people as possible cause it should prolly get us to heaven, so we coculd chill with 70 sumthin virgins....11.And they could have a state already, if that was what their leadership really wanted.... A RAW DEAL?!...If they did get a raw deal it's only cause their own leadership was dealing....
1) jews were not entitled to the land2) israel regected the partition and the cease fire agreement anyway because it was too small, and showed little interest in peace intiatives3) israel got arabs off the land by any means 4) the arab nations generally attacked the expanded part of israel not included in the partition5) look at israel on a map palestine is cut in 2, and israel is much bigger than the two halves put together.6) year on year israels terrirtory has expanded7) arabs and in particular palestinians have incured far more deaths and injuries since israel was started8 ) israel pays little attention to international watchdogs and organisations like the UN or even international law9) israel has one of the largest nuclear stock piles of weapons in the world and has not signed up to the non proliferication treaty so is not subject to sanctions and opporates on a "no show no tell policy" while they expect the rest of the middle east to be put under international pressure to not produce nuclear weapons (eg iran)10) in whats left of palestine the israeli army enjoys shooting small children, buldozing farms and houses to the ground, firering missles and tank shells into the refugee camps especially when large crowds are present, have military check points everywhere.11) in 1947 the area allocated to the jews by the UN had a jewish population of 520,000. there are now over 4 million palestinian refugees at the present day.who do u think got a raw deal?
Quote from: Don Rizzle on May 10, 2006, 03:16:12 AMiraq would just get annexed by iranThat would be a great solution. If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
iraq would just get annexed by iran
thats why 9/11 wuz set up by the CIA and Rumsfield.
they may have failed but why gave up on the road map? considering america is the mediator i'm sure israel will get a very good deal out of it especially as its a republican government in an election year bending over backwards to please the jews. for lasting peace palestinians need to be included and israel needs to leave occupied territories what needs to be worked out is how it is to be carried out and how security can be maintained. i-geezy one thing u fail to mention whenever you say its not about terrirtory who assigninated you pm in the oslo peace process and why. also the current fears of a repeat if jewish settlements are removed the jewish people have no interest in giving up occupied land there is too much opposition against it.