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Why no love for what mobb deep has done in the game
teecee:
THe fact that Mobb Deeps impact is debatable says to me that they arent top 5 groups. How are you gonna debate the impact of RUN DMC, Public Enemy, Outkast, Tribe, etc?
Besides, having Havoc as top 10 producer just isnt right. Sure he may be one of your favourite, but he aint top 10. Warren G is perhaps my favourite producer, and like Havoc has produced a couple classics or near classics, but i still dont consider him top 10. On my personal list he is number 1 however, but i am able to see the difference
pappy:
first off it mobb deep changed there content around everyone would bitch. If they spit socially conscience stuff all the people that bitch about there content now would say how the fuck are you goin go to gun slinging to social commentary. And everyone here knows that too. How isnt he a top 10 rap producer of all time. Dre, Primo, pete rock, large professor, quik, marely marl, qtip, an the rza are the only producers i can think of i put above him. An when i think about i put rza an havoc on the same level. And impact wise, they must of had an impact if pee's voice on the infamous has been sampled countless times. And pee from 94-98, lyrically is a top 15. He aint sayin much in his rhymes except the gun talk. But lyrically he could hang with anyone from that time period. Granted hes fallen off, almost as hard as snoop lol. They have 2 back to back classics an 1 near classic. How many rappers can say they have done that. Im not talkin about 3 during the course of there career, im talkin 3 in a row like that. Very few, off the top of my head only 3 i can think of are 2pac n Cube.
Jome:
--- Quote from: teecee on August 12, 2004, 11:58:11 AM ---However, to say that most people view them as top 5 or top 3 is not true.......i have rarely heard anyone say that besides Gotti or Jome.............yes, Mobb Deep has made some great music and are still a good group today. However, compare them with Tribe Called Quest, Gangstarr, Public Enemy, Run Dmc, Outkast, Beastie Boys etc and it aint really close .
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Mobb Deep is in the top 10 when it comes to hiphop groups no doubt..
You can not really compare them to Outkast & Beastie Boys, they're doing totally different music..
And Mobb Deep is still doing it on a big scale.. unlike many other, either dysfunctional or shut down groups.
Wether Prodigy is a puppy studiogangster or not, I don't care.. it's the music & the catalog that counts for me.. :)
--- Quote from: teecee on August 12, 2004, 03:38:58 PM ---Besides, having Havoc as top 10 producer just isnt right.
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Oh man, peep his resume..
He may not make the worldwide anthems or hits, but he knocks banger after banger, and got that dark eerie style on lock..
Kill:
--- Quote from: Shallow on August 12, 2004, 01:08:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kill on August 12, 2004, 12:18:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on August 12, 2004, 11:58:11 AM ---As for impact on the game and originality, they have brought very little
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that's not true. "The Infamous" and "Survival Of The Fittest" and "Shook Ones Pt. II" did have an impact. That second album along with Illmatic kind of defined the typical Queensbridge style and what would be labeled 'reality rap' and contributed to givin people the idea of what Queensbridge as a hood was/is like that we generally got more than any other album
I agree some people don't give them the credit they deserve. As for the mainstream it is nuthin but logical that the grimey, dark and depressive style they had in most of their songs never appealed to the masses like the party tunes on Doggystyle
Shallow, don't talk about bein grown up and mature lyrics and then come up with NWA. If "Niggaz 4 Life" is sumthin for grown-ups to listen to then any Mobb Deep album is
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NWA is comical. You're not supposed to take those guys serious. Everything they did was a joke, intentionally.Mobb Deep want to be taken as serious. Besides I put NWA on my list based on impact. That is undisputable. If Mobb had that kind of impact then I'd add them too.
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"She Swallowed It" is comical. "Straight Outta Compton" ain't. I won't repeat what I said about impact, but Tom's point is good too. I don't know any album with vocals that have been sampled and quoted more than "The Infamous", maybe "Paid In Full", nuthin else comin to mind
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Kill on August 13, 2004, 07:50:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on August 12, 2004, 01:08:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kill on August 12, 2004, 12:18:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on August 12, 2004, 11:58:11 AM ---As for impact on the game and originality, they have brought very little
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that's not true. "The Infamous" and "Survival Of The Fittest" and "Shook Ones Pt. II" did have an impact. That second album along with Illmatic kind of defined the typical Queensbridge style and what would be labeled 'reality rap' and contributed to givin people the idea of what Queensbridge as a hood was/is like that we generally got more than any other album
I agree some people don't give them the credit they deserve. As for the mainstream it is nuthin but logical that the grimey, dark and depressive style they had in most of their songs never appealed to the masses like the party tunes on Doggystyle
Shallow, don't talk about bein grown up and mature lyrics and then come up with NWA. If "Niggaz 4 Life" is sumthin for grown-ups to listen to then any Mobb Deep album is
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NWA is comical. You're not supposed to take those guys serious. Everything they did was a joke, intentionally.Mobb Deep want to be taken as serious. Besides I put NWA on my list based on impact. That is undisputable. If Mobb had that kind of impact then I'd add them too.
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"She Swallowed It" is comical. "Straight Outta Compton" ain't. I won't repeat what I said about impact, but Tom's point is good too. I don't know any album with vocals that have been sampled and quoted more than "The Infamous", maybe "Paid In Full", nuthin else comin to mind
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I disagree. Even Straight Outta Compton was egotistical hyperbole. Everybody knew these guys were talking shit. The ones that didn't, found out a couple years later when Cube started on his political tip, and basically admitted to talking shit in the NWA days. It's actually very apparent if you just look at the video and listen to the tone of the record. It's like when those Heavy Metal bands praise Satan and Evil, they're only doing it to get a rise out of people, have fun, and make money. Mobb Deep on the other hand constantly promote their loyalty to the streets and street life.
Even so, I simply don't like the music, and I don't put them on my list. This doesn't mean I'll commit my life to making sure everybody hates them. Prodigy doesn't even rhyme sometimes. Now I don't mind if an artists sacrifices style for content every now and then, but Prodigy doesn't say shit worth listening to. That is how I feel about the matter. If you feel different then that is fine.
As for impact, who cares if his voice was sampled? The movie Scarface and Good Fellas get sampled and refered to all the time. I by no means believe that if these movies never came out that rap would be different. The rappers would just find something else that relates to their mindset, just like they would find some one else's voice to sample.
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