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Cultures all Equal?
Real American:
This whole arguement is ridiculous and a waste of time. TommyilRamano is right.....western culture in indeed superior to all other cultures. Capitalism, freedom of speech, separation of church and state, democracy, science, human rights etc are all the foundation of western civilization and the pinnacle of human achievement.
That is why multiculturalism is a joke.....we have to pretend that foreign, backwards cultures are somehow just as relevant and important. Well there are not.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: CWalker187 on August 22, 2004, 09:51:57 AM ---This whole arguement is ridiculous and a waste of time. TommyilRamano is right.....western culture in indeed superior to all other cultures. Capitalism, freedom of speech, separation of church and state, democracy, science, human rights etc are all the foundation of western civilization and the pinnacle of human achievement.
That is why multiculturalism is a joke.....we have to pretend that foreign, backwards cultures are somehow just as relevant and important. Well there are not.
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Let's look at this deeper.
Capitalism - free trade was practiced in the Middle East back when western cultures were still trying to invent fire and throw spears at eacher.
freedom of speech - something no way was denied except when a few western monarchs decided that people joining together was a bad idea for their crown.
Seperation of church and state - something that came about with the founding of the United States. Western societies were tied close to the catholic church, therefore seperation of church and state has more to do with modern than western.
Democracy - is as old as the original Olympics. Also, a few Native tribes also produced Democracies too before "western" culture got here.
science - mathmatically speaking, the Aztecs where the most mathmatically advance people in the world before they encountered the Spanish. In fact, Cortez spoke on how nothing in Europe can compare to the Aztec cities.
Human rights - only went to other Europeans, as Africans where slaves. Also, Native Americans believed in human rights to a higher degree than Europeans. All life is valuable according to the Natives.
tommyilromano:
Yeah, its too bad Genghis didn't finish the job... Still its only a mtter of time before your Islamic faith becomes similar to today's Christians. All it will take is the poverty that so plagues the Middle East to come to an end and WALA! You have 'sorta kinda Muslims', like the Turks! You aren't even a real Muslim you just some wannabe hippy who dislikes America for whatever reason. Im done responding to you for now Ibo...
--- Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on August 22, 2004, 09:12:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: tommyilromano on August 21, 2004, 09:12:11 PM ---First, I am not American. I am Sicilian/Castilian and this is not about America this is about the shared culture of the West in general and there are parallels. In this world the strong survive. Also it was through Muslim Spain anything was accomplished it was through Roman Catholic Spain and the other Latin European peoples. While it is true Arabic culture was dominant long ago that all came to an end after the Mongols conquered them and changed them forever. Like I said the strong survive and prosper.
If you honestly believe Islam, which is a religion not a culture, would have used Nuclear energy for all good you are mistaken. While there is no way to know for certain since it didn't happen the fundamentalism that goes hand in hand with Islam allows me to make my assumption. Also stop talking about Islam as if it is one unified people it isn't. I currently live in Turkey and I can tell you Turkish Muslims are nothing like those who live in Saudi Arabia or Iran. They are more like western Christians (semi-religious) then the hard-core stock that comes from further south. Also, even the fundis are identical because there is the Shiates and the Sunnis. Islam isn't unified so stop speaking as if it is.
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First let's clear up the misinformation you are spreading about Islam and Islamic history.
Actually, Islam is not a religion in the Western sense of the word. It's not simply a belief but it is a practice, a way of life, a culture. Everything Muslims do from the way they dress and wear their beard, to the way they go to the bathroom and the way they pray and get married, is either written about in the Noble Qu'ran; or it was a practice of the prophet (saws).
Second of all, the Mongols did not put an end to the Islamic empire. Gengis Khan did lay destruction upon Muslims leading all the way to Baghdad, but the succeeding generations of Khan's converted to Islam and actually ended up expanding the Islamic Empire which remained strong all the way until almost the 18th Century, when the gold trade in the West lead to inflation in the East.
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tommyilromano:
--- Quote ---My roots, once again. My grandpa was a straight Aztec, or Mexica as they call themselves. He was 100%, out of the village indian, and he had all the features of someone that was 100% Mexica, or Aztec, whatever you want to call them. My other grandpa, Apache Indian from Arizona, but I don't know him that much, so I don't count his blood. My grandma, well she's mix for Native Mexican and Spanish, like most Mexicans. And my other grandma, she's Southern Piute from California.
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Well put on some leather skins, get your peace-pipe out, dance around like a drugged up retard and have a blast!
--- Quote ---Native adavancement.
Iroquois: they are the Native nation we modeled our own government. They had a constitution (http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/iroquois.html) and we copied their government which they had a confederecy of states, and one central federal governement.
Aztecs/Mexica: The Aztec were highly advance in math. They invented the number zero. Before European cultures had no concept of nothing, since nothing is really an abstract idea if you think about it. But the Aztecs had the concept of 0 in mathmatics. Also, Aztecs came up with the recall, impeachment idea. When Empiror Motizuma proved to only be working for the European visitors, the people revoluted against Motizuma, practicing a long running tradition in the Aztec Empire to get rid of rulers that don't do the will of the people.
Incas: My god, have you ever seen the buildings the Incas had in the top of the Andes Mountains. The Incas were highly advanced in mathmatics, and built beautiful buildings, and placed them high above the world, using huge stones, it's a great sight. I've only seen it on video when my friend from Peru showed me, but it was amazing, and I hope to see them in person someday.
And the main reason why Natives died off when Europeans came, well lets put it this way, most Natives actually died of disease that was brought because Europeans spend many days out in the sea, and picked up many disease on the way that Natives could not fight off with their immune system. Over 66% of Natives died of disease, not war.
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I am gonna sound like an asshole but the fact is how many real Indians do u come across in the US? Its been a while since I was last in the US but I know not many. Why is there only 4 pure Indians in the US you ask... well I will tell you... Because they are all dead. The Indians were conquered by a superior people. Was it nice... No but they are still all dead, they were conquered, and they are inferior. ciao
M Dogg™:
^^^lol... oh my God. As I said, over 66% of Natives were killed by disease that Europeans brought that were foreign to the Americas. I now know that no matter what I say, you would change your position, and you would listen, so I'll just say this to end my argument. Europeans perfected war. War to them was an artform. You being European have grown up with this idea, therefore you look at your people's victories dating back to Rome, all the way up to World War I, ignoring World War II... lol... and look with pride as your people win battle after battle, disregarding life. If that is how you base a superiour culture, well that's great. To me, a great culture advances in math, science, technology. When the Spanish came to the Americans, as I said, Cortez said no place in Europe compares to the cities in the Aztec/Mexica Empire. The advances that could have happen could have been great, but some societies are not interested in war and gold. What's foreign to you does not mean it's savage, or inferior. But you were not raised thinking in that matter, so I can't explain it to you, therefore I'll allow you to think as you do.
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