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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2004, 05:18:54 PM »
if it is.. is it not very common right now?

i saw something about a guy from another team being an NBA player..

but i wonder if scouts have their eyes on cheap foreign imports ;)
take yao as an example hes not a american they took his rice eatin ass from china to play in the USA
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2004, 06:09:58 PM »
Nash and Fox are Canadian.
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2004, 06:14:58 PM »
To be honest, you got all these blacks from urban areas that grew up playing ball, and they're just better and more athletic than hardly anybody else in the world.  A lot of these guys haven't done a damn thing BUT play Basketball since they were 5, and they're just flat out better than someone who hasn't practiced for hours, for nearly 15 years, you know?   So not only are there not TONS of foriegn players, there aren't tons of white players, either, because they typically aren't from an urban area, and the black players that are have much more skill @ playing. 

Baseball's pretty incredibly diverse, there's a lot of south american and latin players, similar reasons, they play a lot of ball down there as kids and end up just better than anybody else because they've played so much.

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2004, 08:30:13 PM »
Player (Team)    Country
Tariq Abdul-Wahad, Dallas    France
Robert Archibald, Toronto    Scotland
Carlos Arroyo, Utah    Puerto Rico
Leandro Barbosa, Phoenix    Brazil
Raja Bell, Utah    U.S. Virgin Islands
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje, Cleveland    Cameroon
Primoz Brezec, Indiana    Slovenia
Zarko Cabarkapa, Phoenix    Serbia and Montenegro
Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia    Haiti
Boris Diaw, Atlanta    France
DeSagana Diop, Cleveland    Senegal
Vlade Divac, Sacramento    Serbia and Montenegro
Predrag Drobnjak, L.A. Clippers    Serbia and Montenegro
Tim Duncan, San Antonio    U.S. Virgin Islands
Ndudi Ebi (1), Minnesota    England
Obinna Ekezie, Atlanta    Nigeria
Francisco Elson, Denver    Netherlands
Rick Fox (2), L.A. Lakers    Canada
Adonal Foyle, Golden State    St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Dan Gadzuric, Milwaukee    Netherlands
Alex Garcia, San Antonio    Brazil
Pau Gasol, Memphis    Spain
Emanuel Ginobili, San Antonio    Argentina
Gordan Giricek, Utah    Croatia
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland    Lithuania
Marko Jaric, L.A. Clippers    Serbia and Montenegro
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah    Russia
Toni Kukoc, Milwaukee    Croatia
Maciej Lampe, Phoenix    Poland
Raul Lopez, Utah    Spain
Todd MacCulloch, Philadelphia    Canada
Jamaal Magloire, New Orleans    Canada
Sean Marks, San Antonio    New Zealand
Stanislav Medvedenko, L.A. Lakers    Ukraine
Darko Milicic, Detroit    Serbia and Montenegro
Jerome Moiso, Toronto    France
Dikembe Mutombo, New York    Congo
Bostjan Nachbar, Houston    Slovenia
Eduardo Najera, Dallas    Mexico
Steve Nash, Dallas    Canada
Mamadou N'diaye, Atlanta    Senegal
Nenę, Denver    Brazil
Rasho Nesterovic, San Antonio    Slovenia
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas    Germany
Mehmet Okur, Detroit    Turkey
Michael Olowokandi (3), Minnesota    Nigeria
Zaza Pachulia, Orlando    Georgia
Milt Palacio, Toronto    Belize
Tony Parker (4), San Antonio    France
Aleksandar Pavlovic, Utah    Serbia and Montenegro
Mickael Pietrus, Golden State    France
Zoran Planinic (5), New Jersey    Croatia
Vitaly Potapenko, Seattle    Ukraine
Vladimir Radmanovic (6), Seattle    Serbia and Montenegro
Zeljko Rebraca, Atlanta    Serbia and Montenegro
Daniel Santiago, Milwaukee    Puerto Rico
Darius Songaila, Sacramento    Lithuania
Jon Stefansson, Dallas    Iceland
Vladimir Stepania, Portland    Georgia
Peja Stojakovic, Sacramento    Serbia and Montenegro
Cezary Trybanski, New York    Poland
Jake Tsakalidis, Memphis    Greece
Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Denver    Georgia
Hedo Turkoglu, San Antonio    Turkey
Wang Zhizhi, Miami    China
Jiri Welsch, Boston    Czech Republic
Yao Ming, Houston    China
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2004, 10:34:31 PM »
To be honest, you got all these blacks from urban areas that grew up playing ball, and they're just better and more athletic than hardly anybody else in the world.  A lot of these guys haven't done a damn thing BUT play Basketball since they were 5, and they're just flat out better than someone who hasn't practiced for hours, for nearly 15 years, you know?   So not only are there not TONS of foriegn players, there aren't tons of white players, either, because they typically aren't from an urban area, and the black players that are have much more skill @ playing. 

Baseball's pretty incredibly diverse, there's a lot of south american and latin players, similar reasons, they play a lot of ball down there as kids and end up just better than anybody else because they've played so much.

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True. In Latin America, they play baseball all day... with rocks and sticks... whatever they can find. In the U.S., one black kid has a ball... and the whole neighborhood plays all day. Go to a park... and it's nothin but black kids... little 7 year olds doing And1 tricks... and their older brothers just playing all day long. Every summer... the parks are filled... and it's crazy. On our local parks... the Millers used to hustle the shit outta people in the 80's, a girl and a skinny ass boy challenging older guys... and placing bets... and of course the Millers would win. That's U.S. basketball. The Puerto Rican team actually had a lot of players that played street ball in New York. European basketball of course will always been more technical... and the media will of course say we need to go back to passing... but one on one... still no one can beat a United States player.
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2004, 04:43:43 AM »
Sean Marks, San Antonio    New Zealand............Woop_woop. I know this dude was playing college ball in the US b4 he made it in the NBA.

 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2004, 05:24:20 AM »
but one on one... still no one can beat a United States player.

Man black guys raise up playing street basketball. White men raise up playing gym basketball.
Black guys learn fast how to dunk with 1 hand, white guys learn fast how to make profit from a pick n roll, or how to shoot from 3pts.
Black guys love to defend 1 on 1, phisically. White guys knows zone defence better than Tex Winter!
It's like that. It's a totally different view of playing basketball.

It's like soccer: Brazilians learn fast how to pass the ball, dribble, attack, score. Italians learn fast how to defend, make pressing, offsides and how to dive.

Two different ways to play soccer. Both are good. Obviously 1 on 1 a Brazilian player can do more damage than an Italian one, dribbling him, making those special moves with the ball, etc.. But as a team, Italy sometimes beats Brazil.

It's the same with bball.
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2004, 04:18:22 PM »
^exactly.

sorry to say that, but most black americans play to look good and whites (especially Europeans) look to play good. you know? it's like they go for the hard dunk when the other ones rather go for the secure lay-up, stuff like this.
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2004, 04:21:50 PM »
wow we are just sterotyping like crazy... all black people dont play the same, just as all white people dont play the same...and ^^7even, were the fuck do u come off saying that, saying most... u call people ignorant, and then u post shit like that... how do u figure, and what is your statistic of most, 80%? 90%??
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2004, 04:29:25 PM »
A lot of it has to due where you grew up too.  A white kid growing up in an urban area is goin try an play the ball a black kid in the park is playing.  I think a lot of it has to do where you grow up 2. 
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2004, 06:06:27 PM »
A lot of it has to due where you grew up too.  A white kid growing up in an urban area is goin try an play the ball a black kid in the park is playing.  I think a lot of it has to do where you grow up 2.

Yeah, obviously. But in Europe people start playing bball in a gym, 3 times a week, with minibasket and shit. No playground, but REGULAR basketball. In the States, most of the people start playing bball in the street, close to their home, or at the school, where there's a rim on the wall, and they can shoot or play 1 on 1, or 3 on 3. 3 on 3 KILLS basketball. When you raise up playing 3 on 3, you cant play 5 on 5 no more!! Cause playing 3 on 3 means you have to outscore your opponent, going always 1 on 1 or playing only with your body. You aint double-teamed. Opponents cant play zone defence. They cant make pick n rolls or schemes. 3 on 3 it's just who has more skills wins. That's totally a different concept. In Europe you raise up in a gym with a team. And you only play 5 on 5. It's a team! Team concept.

Then americans move to the playgrounds. Then they go to school (college-Uni) and they start to play bball in a team for the first time there.

I started playing in a real team, in a gym and everything when i was 5. FIVE. I grew up in a gym, playing schemes till i was 9 years old, using pick n roll's till i was 12, playing zone pressure since i was 14. When i was 18, i was totally mature as a player, knowing the game, all the schemes, how to defend on zone, how to make lay-ups with the left hand and not being blocked, how to use a pick n roll, how to shoot from 3pts, how to make a FT (Italy had the best percentace from FT and 3pts in the Olympic tournment), etc.

Feel me? At 18 i was a PERFECT player.

Only difference between me as a 18 years old player and a 18 years old black guy is that the black guy plays OVER the rim and i play UNDER the rim. I dunk, but i've never dunked in an official game. Why? Cause a lay-up is safer. And if i miss a dunk, my coach forces me to sit on the bench for 3 games! You know what i mean? That's the difference! People in the States starts to play in a gym, in a team and with a real coach when they 17-18. When i'm 17-18, i can teach basketball.
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2004, 08:49:00 PM »
Player (Team)    Country
Tariq Abdul-Wahad, Dallas    France
Robert Archibald, Toronto    Scotland
Carlos Arroyo, Utah    Puerto Rico
Leandro Barbosa, Phoenix    Brazil
Raja Bell, Utah    U.S. Virgin Islands
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje, Cleveland    Cameroon
Primoz Brezec, Indiana    Slovenia
Zarko Cabarkapa, Phoenix    Serbia and Montenegro
Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia    Haiti
Boris Diaw, Atlanta    France
DeSagana Diop, Cleveland    Senegal
Vlade Divac, Sacramento    Serbia and Montenegro
Predrag Drobnjak, L.A. Clippers    Serbia and Montenegro
Tim Duncan, San Antonio    U.S. Virgin Islands
Ndudi Ebi (1), Minnesota    England
Obinna Ekezie, Atlanta    Nigeria
Francisco Elson, Denver    Netherlands
Rick Fox (2), L.A. Lakers    Canada
Adonal Foyle, Golden State    St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Dan Gadzuric, Milwaukee    Netherlands
Alex Garcia, San Antonio    Brazil
Pau Gasol, Memphis    Spain
Emanuel Ginobili, San Antonio    Argentina
Gordan Giricek, Utah    Croatia
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland    Lithuania
Marko Jaric, L.A. Clippers    Serbia and Montenegro
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah    Russia
Toni Kukoc, Milwaukee    Croatia
Maciej Lampe, Phoenix    Poland
Raul Lopez, Utah    Spain
Todd MacCulloch, Philadelphia    Canada
Jamaal Magloire, New Orleans    Canada
Sean Marks, San Antonio    New Zealand
Stanislav Medvedenko, L.A. Lakers    Ukraine
Darko Milicic, Detroit    Serbia and Montenegro
Jerome Moiso, Toronto    France
Dikembe Mutombo, New York    Congo
Bostjan Nachbar, Houston    Slovenia
Eduardo Najera, Dallas    Mexico
Steve Nash, Dallas    Canada
Mamadou N'diaye, Atlanta    Senegal
Nenę, Denver    Brazil
Rasho Nesterovic, San Antonio    Slovenia
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas    Germany
Mehmet Okur, Detroit    Turkey
Michael Olowokandi (3), Minnesota    Nigeria
Zaza Pachulia, Orlando    Georgia
Milt Palacio, Toronto    Belize
Tony Parker (4), San Antonio    France
Aleksandar Pavlovic, Utah    Serbia and Montenegro
Mickael Pietrus, Golden State    France
Zoran Planinic (5), New Jersey    Croatia
Vitaly Potapenko, Seattle    Ukraine
Vladimir Radmanovic (6), Seattle    Serbia and Montenegro
Zeljko Rebraca, Atlanta    Serbia and Montenegro
Daniel Santiago, Milwaukee    Puerto Rico
Darius Songaila, Sacramento    Lithuania
Jon Stefansson, Dallas    Iceland
Vladimir Stepania, Portland    Georgia
Peja Stojakovic, Sacramento    Serbia and Montenegro
Cezary Trybanski, New York    Poland
Jake Tsakalidis, Memphis    Greece
Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Denver    Georgia
Hedo Turkoglu, San Antonio    Turkey
Wang Zhizhi, Miami    China
Jiri Welsch, Boston    Czech Republic
Yao Ming, Houston    China


Gotta update that list, man...
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2004, 11:12:17 PM »
^exactly.

sorry to say that, but most black americans play to look good and whites (especially Europeans) look to play good. you know? it's like they go for the hard dunk when the other ones rather go for the secure lay-up, stuff like this.

god you're racist to say that shit. you couldn't be farther from the truth
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2004, 11:27:00 PM »
A lot of it has to due where you grew up too.  A white kid growing up in an urban area is goin try an play the ball a black kid in the park is playing.  I think a lot of it has to do where you grow up 2.

Yeah, obviously. But in Europe people start playing bball in a gym, 3 times a week, with minibasket and shit. No playground, but REGULAR basketball. In the States, most of the people start playing bball in the street, close to their home, or at the school, where there's a rim on the wall, and they can shoot or play 1 on 1, or 3 on 3. 3 on 3 KILLS basketball. When you raise up playing 3 on 3, you cant play 5 on 5 no more!! Cause playing 3 on 3 means you have to outscore your opponent, going always 1 on 1 or playing only with your body. You aint double-teamed. Opponents cant play zone defence. They cant make pick n rolls or schemes. 3 on 3 it's just who has more skills wins. That's totally a different concept. In Europe you raise up in a gym with a team. And you only play 5 on 5. It's a team! Team concept.

Then americans move to the playgrounds. Then they go to school (college-Uni) and they start to play bball in a team for the first time there.

I started playing in a real team, in a gym and everything when i was 5. FIVE. I grew up in a gym, playing schemes till i was 9 years old, using pick n roll's till i was 12, playing zone pressure since i was 14. When i was 18, i was totally mature as a player, knowing the game, all the schemes, how to defend on zone, how to make lay-ups with the left hand and not being blocked, how to use a pick n roll, how to shoot from 3pts, how to make a FT (Italy had the best percentace from FT and 3pts in the Olympic tournment), etc.

Feel me? At 18 i was a PERFECT player.

Only difference between me as a 18 years old player and a 18 years old black guy is that the black guy plays OVER the rim and i play UNDER the rim. I dunk, but i've never dunked in an official game. Why? Cause a lay-up is safer. And if i miss a dunk, my coach forces me to sit on the bench for 3 games! You know what i mean? That's the difference! People in the States starts to play in a gym, in a team and with a real coach when they 17-18. When i'm 17-18, i can teach basketball.


AH, WHAT??

ive been playing street ball since i was 9, i really got a late start playing basketball, i started playing for the city league in a gym and during the summer i went to the park to see if i could play with the other 9-10 year olds, and you know what? they were all 10x better than me, even to this day, i still play with the same people @ the park, and they all have better ball control and better shot than i do, i think because playin organized ball gives you a lot of restrictions and you cant really do as much like when your playin street ball, .........and to the transition from street ball to organized ball thing you said in your post....WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? 3 of the guys i played with are being asked by the Ontario Warriors to try out for them, they even waived their Registration fee (which i think is $100)....(if you dont know the ontario warriors, check out www.ontariowarriors.com , they play for the ABA) - - - - All in all i know im prob. just babblin, but the moral to my babblin is - Street Ballers are better than Ballers who just played organized ball all their life.....And it doesnt really matter with race either, not really...like trauma said, Practice Practice practice, cuz im better than most black people i play with
 

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Re: are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2004, 02:37:26 AM »
Man first of all i was talking about the EUROPEAN situation. Other than that, i said street players are better INDIVIDUALLY (so i agree with you), but if you raise in a gym as a kid, in a team, and you know how to play in a team, and everybody got his role in the team, and they play hard zone, double-teams, match-ups, pick n rolls, triangles, fundamentals, 3pts, etc.., you learn fast how to play IN A TEAM. Which is the main reason, reading US journalists, why USA didnt win (they werent a team) and other teams won (they ARE a team and play LIKE a team). It's not because other countries knows each others from years and all this bullshit. It's because they know how to play in a team from years. The can change 30 teams, but they'll still fit in it. USA players never played organized basketball in the Olympics. It was only man defence and continuos 1 on 1 in offence. Too unorganized to win something against REAL teams. Even against Italy or Puerto Rico.