More than 100,000 Germans flock to see hitler film on its opening night

[Don Rizzle]

Germans flock to see Hitler film
More than 100,000 German filmgoers flocked to see a controversial big-budget movie about Adolf Hitler on its opening night on Thursday.
The Downfall, shown on 400 screens, stars Swiss actor Bruno Ganz as the Nazi leader and sparked debate about portraying Hitler with a human side.

Ex-German Chancellor Helmut Kohl has hailed it as a way for young people to be reminded of the horror of Hitler.

The £9m film's makers said they were happy young and old had gone to watch.


Critics were divided over the film, which details the end of the Third Reich leading up to Hitler's suicide in his bunker on 30 April 1945.
German historian Hans Mommsen said: "Reducing history to stories about people is not suitable for gaining an understanding of the greater historical process."

But British historian and Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw said: "Of all the portrayals of Hitler, this is the first which I found convincing."

The film will be shown throughout continental Europe and in Japan. Producers are also hoping to distribute it in North America and Britain.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/entertainment/film/3666076.stm

[white Boy]

ooo i wana see this...

[7even]

the movie has good actors in it
and is truly anti-nazi
what I hate though is how everybody keeps reminding us of our bloody past, when no other nations gives a shit about the cruel shit they did..
I mean.. who even knows about the armenian genocide?
I mean.. is there actually a US-Movie that depicts america as the evil ass country they sometimes were?
I mean.. look at all the asian stuff and Stalin of course.. n shit.. everything.

still, all the world keeps talking about like it was fuckin' yesterday is WW2 and the related holocaust.

[mauzip]

the movie has good actors in it
and is truly anti-nazi
what I hate though is how everybody keeps reminding us of our bloody past, when no other nations gives a shit about the cruel shit they did..
I mean.. who even knows about the armenian genocide?
I mean.. is there actually a US-Movie that depicts america as the evil ass country they sometimes were?
I mean.. look at all the asian stuff and Stalin of course.. n shit.. everything.

still, all the world keeps talking about like it was fuckin' yesterday is WW2 and the related holocaust.

That's because germany is the only western country that did something horrible to other western countries quite recently.

Ontopic:
I definately want to see this movie. I saw a trailer of the movie and I was quite impressed.

[7even]

First off I would like to say that I am an American and I could only speak from an American point of view. I myself believe that Germans today take a bad rap from the hideous Nazi legacy. Almost everywhere I go I always find the term "German" associated with "Nazi". I find it hypocritical how many people out there seem to constantly link the Germans with their hideous past while Americans themselves seem to try to put their past away. Whenever I try to have a conversation about race in America, I normally bring up the past and a lot of people always tell me the same thing: "But that happened a long time ago." Well, Nazi Germany happened a long time ago but it is a subject that is constantly being brought up.

The point is, as you may well have heard many times, is that history is written by the winners. And when it is written by the winners, the losers are often depicted as the villains. When I was studying history in high school, as a student I was never taught anything much about the genocide of Native Americans and slavery. My teachers pretty much ignored those issues. When it came to World War II, however, I was completely exposed to Nazis. Along with the others in my class, we went into great detail on who the Nazis where and what they did. We all read Anne Frank, we all watched Schnidler's List, and we even saw clips of Leni Riefensthal's "Triumph of Will. It is as if my teachers were trying to hide the American past from us by redirecting our aggression to the Germans. To top it all off, since this was the first time we were expose to anything that was German, my teachers did not really stress any difference from these Germans of the past to the Germans of today. Maybe this is why a lot of Americans tend to automatically associate Germans with Nazis.

If we could try to see history objectively and try to compare American history with German History without moralizing anything (I could only take from Nazi history because that's all I know), then I would find some striking similarities. If we could compare what Hitler did to the Jews to what Thomas Jefferson and the other founding fathers did to the Natives, I would find no real difference. Like Hitler, Jefferson had a vision of his nation and he needed to clear the land and create genocide so that he could accomplish what he wanted. I mean what is the difference between "Manifest Destiny" and "The Final Solution"? Both involve killing one group of people so that the conquered land could be used as a place to establish the ruler's vision. My point is that if Hilter would've won all of Europe, he would've been up there with Napolean and Alexander. Like the Romans, history would've saw the Germans as a great people with a great vision instead of being labeled those damn Nazis. But since they lost they are stuck being demonized constantly. This isn't fair.

There is no good and evil in history, there is only winning and losing. America is such a lucky country because it has two oceans to protect it. I hate it when people call it the greatest country in the world. I believe its the richest but not the greatest. I personally think that America screwed more people than Hitler did and still continues to do so. You don't think Iraq is a continuation of America's genocide happy legacy? In America it seems that they got to opress your race first before you get to join in. Like Hitler and his idea of the Aryan race, America only favors Pilgrim blood. It always has and it always will. There are other places out there that treat their own people better. As for all the Germans out there I feel for you. Its not fair to be branded by a hideous legacy that you were not even a part of. Aufwiedersehen.   

[white Boy]

i agree with you on a lot of what ur saying 7even

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

I heard about this movie...Might check it out...But I don't get why it's so shocking to you that people are still talking about the Holocaust...It's one of the worst things to ever happen...I mean, come on, millions and millions and millions of people not only died, but were taken from their homes, separated from their families, put in camps, enslaved, tortured, and starved before their death...Armenian Genocide is not even fucking comparable, man...You can't just expect people to forget that.

[Smoke]

I heard about this movie...Might check it out...But I don't get why it's so shocking to you that people are still talking about the Holocaust...It's one of the worst things to ever happen...I mean, come on, millions and millions and millions of people not only died, but were taken from their homes, separated from their families, put in camps, enslaved, tortured, and starved before their death...Armenian Genocide is not even fucking comparable, man...You can't just expect people to forget that.

Man you are totally right, it was horrible. But the message was that Americans did it too, against Japanase (well, not that hard, obviously). But you never read it in your books of history! And the message was: how do you call the 80 millions of civils killed by communists? And the native americans killed by english and french in the new "America"? And the millions of africani killed and raped and tortured in Africa because of their religion? Shit holocaust was not been the baddest moment of human history. Cause history repeats itself. Sadly. Shit even the Romans conquired and tortured/killed everybody, using innocent people as slaves, etc.. Shit even in the recent history European nations conquired Africa and used people like slaves.. Shit till a couple of years ago blacks were considered like jews and doggs, in the USA. It's not only Jews. But yes, they did something horrible, i agree.

[7even]

I know you see it from a different viewpoint Nik, and Im cool with that. You know the last thing I try to do is playing the holocaust down. But on the other hand, the human race *did* undescribable, cruel ass stuff to their own kind - before and also after the holocaust. I just think there are huge double standards involved. Seriously, just look at the shit American Soldiers do *nowadays* in Iraq.. in abu ghraib. <-- Im not saying this is comparable to the stuff nazis did to jews 60 years ago, but still it's remarkable how noone gives a shit about that shit a few weeks after it was in the news, and at the same time ppl cant stop making movies, stereotypes and books concerning the shit going on 60 fuckin years ago (during a war) in nazi-germany. that's the doube standard that is pissing me off hard. I tell ya I can go nuts when assholes use "nazis" as a fuckin synonym to "germans" nowadays. or when ppl who cant argue call me nazi on the internet just cause Im german. or when assholes call me a nazi cause Im happy when the german soccer team won a game. etc etc... when at the same time america is the proudest nation in the world. fuckin' ridiculous.

[white Boy]

I know you see it from a different viewpoint Nik, and Im cool with that. You know the last thing I try to do is playing the holocaust down. But on the other hand, the human race *did* undescribable, cruel ass stuff to their own kind - before and also after the holocaust. I just think there are huge double standards involved. Seriously, just look at the shit American Soldiers do *nowadays* in Iraq.. in abu ghraib. <-- Im not saying this is comparable to the stuff nazis did to jews 60 years ago, but still it's remarkable how noone gives a shit about that shit a few weeks after it was in the news, and at the same time ppl cant stop making movies, stereotypes and books concerning the shit going on 60 fuckin years ago (during a war) in nazi-germany. that's the doube standard that is pissing me off hard. I tell ya I can go nuts when assholes use "nazis" as a fuckin synonym to "germans" nowadays. or when ppl who cant argue call me nazi on the internet just cause Im german. or when assholes call me a nazi cause Im happy when the german soccer team won a game. etc etc... when at the same time america is the proudest nation in the world. fuckin' ridiculous.

im sure ur a nice nazi 

[white Boy]

btw.. i want u to know im just kidding... i would never consider u a nazi.. thats some fucked up shit..

[Sikotic™]

I'll see it. Hitler was an interesting person from the research I've done on him.

[Don Jacob]

the movie has good actors in it
and is truly anti-nazi
what I hate though is how everybody keeps reminding us of our bloody past, when no other nations gives a shit about the cruel shit they did..

I mean.. is there actually a US-Movie that depicts america as the evil ass country they sometimes were?


still, all the world keeps talking about like it was fuckin' yesterday is WW2 and the related holocaust.

there's two things wrong here :

1. the US thing, there's thousands of movies about vietnam, and the there's the ever famous Roots

2." like it was fuckin' yesterday", oh so we're just suppose to forget aboutt he past?

[Sikotic™]

I mean.. is there actually a US-Movie that depicts america as the evil ass country they sometimes were?

Dead Presidents

[Don Jacob]

add Boyz in tha Hood too