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I support Native Americans, Especially the Morongo Tribe, Seeing as i wasted almost 2 paychecks @ their Casino.....
What are your views on them and the special treatment they get?unfair. Let's look at it this way, when a white person wants to die, they have to go out there way and find someone to kill them. We just had it where the white man came to us and killed us all. Frankly, I think we got the better end of it. I mean, who needs a whole tribe of people that we had, I mean the 19 people of my tribe still alive, that's plenty of people to carry on our traditions once held by hundreds of thousands.Do you think it's right that they get to live on Reserves where there is basically no laws, they don't pay taxes and get tons of free stuff.The reservation is great. (I've actually been to reservations many many times) I mean, before casinos, there was a bunch of beat up old houses out in the middle of the desert. I mean, lets face it, the white men lost out, they forced into some great land. I heard stories that when the old natives tried to grow on the reservations, they couldn't grow a damn thing. Then check this out, when they tried to leave, the military was sent to put them back in, or kill them, whichever was easier. Of course the government kick down free food, and it was the best food you can get. I remember as a kid going to visit my mom's people in the reservation, and they had powdered milk, government cheese, and some really old pasta, and basically I thought it was cool because it was all government surplus food. God damn those casino, now natives can buy there own food. I mean, now I go there and the shacks are replaced by nice houses, and you see the natives have gained weight. I always thought we were suppose to stay skinny. Whoever heard of a chunky native. If no one in this country has a weight problem, then why should the natives. And why did we agree to be a solvergn nation. I mean, many years ago, they said we had freedoms in our tribes, as long as we stayed in them. I figure that they should have just ruled us in our own tribes too. Hell, they killed us and forced us to stay in the most unfertal land in this country, the least they could have done is took away our freedoms to be our own people. But I mean, the United States has given us such a special treatment.
Quote from: Rampant on October 12, 2004, 07:21:29 PMSo lets say somone stole 20$ from my great great grandfather. So later when im alive, a relative of that theif comes to me and says "heres 20$ that my great great grandfather stole from yours....."Honestly do you think i'd give a shit about that....no. I have put myself in a currently living native american life. Its not like the government is blocking them from having normal lives, there not imprisoning them. They can live a normal life. They should get any shit extra.Why not give blacks tax exemption. We made them slaves.Why not give Japanese people tax exemption. We put them in camps.Why not give iraqi americans tax exemption. We are killing iraqis in iraq right now.Why not give vietnamese americans tax exemption. We killed tons of them in vietnam.ON, and ON , and ON. What makes indians so special? Because hundreds of years ago we kicked them off their land? Big deal get over it. And by the way. Thanx for the negative karma guys. I didnt know we had so many indians on this board. God cant give my opinion without people dissing me.why in the blue hell would I give you negative karma. I don't give negative karma, to me it's pointless. I am a positive person that only gives props. I am only trying to talk to you about a situation. Now let me answer your post.Why not give blacks tax exemption. We made them slaves.No, they were promised a lot of things, but never got it. Tax exemptions though is completely different than what was promised but never given to Natives.Why not give Japanese people tax exemption. We put them in camps.awww but we did give the people in camps money to make up for our mistake. Basically how slavery reperations argument came about. Once the U.S. gave teh Japanese money, then blacks started asking for money with slavery. Back then it was a justified argument because the effects of slavery was still felt in the black community, and racism was running wild.Why not give iraqi americans tax exemption. We are killing iraqis in iraq right now.We are at war with Iraqis. This happens through out historyWhy not give vietnamese americans tax exemption. We killed tons of them in vietnam.That was a war. Though we did take many Vietnamese into our country, and gave them refugee money to start a new life here.This is the main reason why we get tax exempts, NATIVES LIVE IN RESERVATION IN THEIR OWN LITTLE COUNTRIES. Peep game. Each reservation is treated like it's own country. Many years ago it was done by the U.S. to keep the Natives weak. If they are in little reservations, as their own country, then they cannot join together and fight back against the U.S. It was perfect, divide and conquer. They gave the Natives their own little nations, completely sovereign from the rest of the country. Back then, they left the Natives in the most unfertal, unwanted land they can find. To be human, they gave the Natives food, so they can live, and threaten the life of any Native willing to leave. Here's the funny part though. About 15 years ago, in California, one Native reservation on the way to Las Vegas thought that since they have their own rules, why don't they legalize gambling, so that when people are on their way to Vegas, they see a casino in California, and get some business. It was a way so that the Natives can start supporting ourselves. We didn't know we'd make this much money. But it's a way so that we can finally have an income in our own little tribes, technically little nations, and support ourselves. We are proud people, many natives hated the fact that the U.S. gave us our food, and took our land and treated us like babies because we couldn't we couldn't take care of ourselves. Our men in the reservation were ruined, our kids became out of control, we as a people were reduced to being a depended on U.S. society. After over 500 years of struggle against the white man, we finally have a way to take care of ourselves, support our people, build better schools on our reservation, and allow our people to live a better life. We are our own little country, remember that. Other than the aid that the U.S. gives us, we don't get much from tax money. Our roads for years were messed up, our schools were shitty, our houses were shacks. It was our money made from casinos that paid for bettering our live. So We take care of ourselves, not the U.S., so why should a reservation pay taxes. After being treated like shit for hundreds of years, we finally find a way to support ourselves, and you want that too. Fuck that!
So lets say somone stole 20$ from my great great grandfather. So later when im alive, a relative of that theif comes to me and says "heres 20$ that my great great grandfather stole from yours....."Honestly do you think i'd give a shit about that....no. I have put myself in a currently living native american life. Its not like the government is blocking them from having normal lives, there not imprisoning them. They can live a normal life. They should get any shit extra.Why not give blacks tax exemption. We made them slaves.Why not give Japanese people tax exemption. We put them in camps.Why not give iraqi americans tax exemption. We are killing iraqis in iraq right now.Why not give vietnamese americans tax exemption. We killed tons of them in vietnam.ON, and ON , and ON. What makes indians so special? Because hundreds of years ago we kicked them off their land? Big deal get over it. And by the way. Thanx for the negative karma guys. I didnt know we had so many indians on this board. God cant give my opinion without people dissing me.
^^^Native Americans have been getting screwed from the day Columbus stepped foot on America when his dumb ass thought it was India. I agree... peeps need to stop calling them Indians. Fuck Columbus... he massacred, pilaged, raped an entire people and he gets his own bitch ass holiday... fuck that fool.
^I agree with you, but I don't agree with having a holiday in his honor because he "discovered" America... Peeps were already here!
Quote from: Ozir on October 11, 2004, 08:28:38 PM^^^Native Americans have been getting screwed from the day Columbus stepped foot on America when his dumb ass thought it was India. I agree... peeps need to stop calling them Indians. Fuck Columbus... he massacred, pilaged, raped an entire people and he gets his own bitch ass holiday... fuck that fool.
Quote from: Ozir on October 13, 2004, 10:45:03 AM^I agree with you, but I don't agree with having a holiday in his honor because he "discovered" America... Peeps were already here!I don't care for the holiday either way, but he did discover America for the Europeans, as far as the story goes. Europeans would have figured out the world was round after the enlightenment any way, but Columbus was the first to proclaim it in Europe at that time, and he is credited for his idea.
Yeah, because Indians had so much going for them before he came? Columbus brought civilization to the West.
Yeah, Cortez and the gang should of just finished the job IMO. Forgive my comments I just am not a big fan of Natives.
first off, the Greeks discovered the world was round. Any European that thought the world was flat was more than likely a backwoods country European. The only problem was that people were afriad to travel around the world, for fear of the unknown. There was rumored to be monsters and whatnot. Also, how big the world was, was also misjudged. They thought that if the world was round, it was only the world that they knew. They did not think that there was room for a whole 'nother world. To even further the thought of Columbus not discovering America, even for the Europeans, Vikings have been trading with Natives in Canada for hundreds of years before Columbus. Wit Columbue though, is his sailing came to find a short cut to India, and was funded by the newly freed Spain. Spain had been under Moore rule for 700 years, and was freed in 1492. Their first big mission was to find a short cut to India.
you ever heard of the great Empires of the Americas. Inca, Mexica, and Mayan. Basically these Empires were great societies, and they were all advanced in math. The Mexica (Aztec) were advanced in math, holding many secrets that European scholors had been looking for to complete calculus, and other advanced math. The Inca build great buildings in the mountains, and were on their way to having a really advanced Empire, and the Mayan Empire had many great temples and buildings as well. The Iroquois did not have an empire, in fact they had a government very simular to the one the United States has now, mainly because the U.S. took many ideas from the Iroquois to set up their democracy, mainly dealing the with states, and how each state is ran, yet their is a central federal government. The Iroquois were another great society, that with time would have produced many great things. All these tribes had great potental. So don't believe what you see on TV, we were advanced.
you don't have to be. Many white people, even to this day aren't, and they are seen as heros. John Wayne hated Natives, and real life heros that hate indians include Andrew Jackson, General Custer, almost every U.S. settler that moved west, and every European conquor who wanted to gain riches for his country.
Quoteyou ever heard of the great Empires of the Americas. Inca, Mexica, and Mayan. Basically these Empires were great societies, and they were all advanced in math. The Mexica (Aztec) were advanced in math, holding many secrets that European scholors had been looking for to complete calculus, and other advanced math. The Inca build great buildings in the mountains, and were on their way to having a really advanced Empire, and the Mayan Empire had many great temples and buildings as well. The Iroquois did not have an empire, in fact they had a government very simular to the one the United States has now, mainly because the U.S. took many ideas from the Iroquois to set up their democracy, mainly dealing the with states, and how each state is ran, yet their is a central federal government. The Iroquois were another great society, that with time would have produced many great things. All these tribes had great potental. So don't believe what you see on TV, we were advanced.Ummm no.. they were wayyyy behind the europeans in technology. I guess some of their concepts of government were semi-advanced but they certainly didn't put any of their ideas to good use.