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Juronimo:

--- Quote from: Kill on October 16, 2004, 05:33:53 AM ---while he might have some points, there is no excuse for the shit the Daily News quoted. And his fuckin response as to how he was 'taken out of context' doesn't provide any excuse either. It's not only cynical, but also straight up dumb to claim 9/11 was 'justice for black people' especially when your main point is racial prejudice towards blacks by WTC security. that's so fuckin blown outta proportion, think about it, 6,000 lives were lost and that includes several black lives from what i know. again, that is cynical and fuckin stupid at the same time. And it still is if you consider it 'retaliation' for the black people and injustice towards them not particularly related to the WTC, because saying that goes against christian beliefs and promoting peace and unity and seeing any kind of 'justice' in such an act (when you consider yourself a religious or religiously inspired 'spiritual minded' 'preacher') is HIGHLY ambivalent, contradictory and fuckin stupid. KRS is a punk

and what bothers me too is his incredibly presumptous and self-righteous approach to everything. He seems to be absolutely incapable of getting rid of his cockiness for a second (let alone reconsider his views instead of attacking anybody who might not share them), pointing out what a truth-speaking poet and philosopher he is various times. "I'm no. 1, oops sorry i lie, I'm no. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5". He already gets on my nerves compulsively including shit like that in political songs and messages, but in this context it gets sickening. Cocky ass bastard

i'm not even defending the media, nor the way blacks are treated or anything. KRS points out true things, but 9/11 was/is not justice for anything or anybody (on a side note, DEFINITELY not for muslims as they suffered most from the consequences) and anybody within the hiphop community of a halfway decent intellect who really wants peace should agree on that. if not, he/she'd have to come up with hella better points than KRS. It's a shame

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My thoughts exactly. Like I said earlier, I don't know a single black person who cheered that shit. I think the only person who cheered this was Bush, Cheney and their cohorts since now they have a ready made excuse to wreak havoc and reap the profits.

I TO DA GEEZY:
I think you people are too dramatical, yea it was a pretty nasty thing to say, and yea KRS is pretty much hungry for controversy right now, but that doesn't change the fact KRS is one of the most important veterans as far as rap goes,  Criminal Minded was one of the main foundations of Hardcore Rap, and later Krs would craft some of the most eloquent political and socially aware raps no metter how controversial or hard-to-agree-with they were, the fact he made a stupid statement doesn't take away his place in Rap's history,
that's what Ive always been saying, a rapper's personal beliefes, views and subject metter are up to him, what I as a listener have the right to demand is proper depiction of whatever the rapper wants to express(and KRS had almost always been cristal clear in his raps)...for example I love Talib's and Mos's music but alot of their views in politics negate mine but that doesn't make them any less of rappers.

W-Side:

--- Quote from: Juronimo on October 22, 2004, 11:30:06 AM ---My thoughts exactly. Like I said earlier, I don't know a single black person who cheered that shit. I think the only person who cheered this was Bush, Cheney and their cohorts since now they have a ready made excuse to wreak havoc and reap the profits.

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LoL it's starting to get annoying.. wtf's wrong with yall ya keep talkin shit but ya won't get into the subject

KRS did not cheer

at the attacks

read the whole statement and stop acting like retards, I already gave you an example to make it easier to understand. IF you already read his whole statement and my elaborations / example, and you STILL think otherwise, BRING YOUR POINTS UP and I'll be happy to admit I was wrong if your arguments prove mine wrong.. but DON'T just keep talkin worthless bullshit without ever habing tried to understand what you're judging

I already adressed Kill, Trauma, Gangstauu and now Juronimo

by name and none of you did / could come up with anything

the only one who even responded was Trauma and what he said is "fuck his, fuck you, fuck whoever cheered" which really ain't shit considering I just said I didn't cheer and neither did KRS, I stil responded but he didn't after that. Seems like he doesn't have anything to say when it comes to bringing up actual points and not just talkin shit

King Tech Quadafi:
Trauma, you faggot, your hip hop pass has been revoked joing up with your TOT pass, manhood pass, and intelligence pass revokes.

"He sucks at what he once was a slight success in"

KRS was a slight success in hip hop? Are you fuckin nuts? Hasnt dropped a great album in almost a decade, and still considered top 3 hands down. Respect this shit chump

Kill:
ok L2DB, since you are extremly dedicated to defending KRS and discussing his views, i will repeat myself, break down his statement and re-formulate some stuff

as for the cheering...

--- Quote from: Shallow on October 15, 2004, 09:56:54 PM ---Like everyone I was shocked to read that I and other African-Americans actually "cheered when 911 happened" and that I have "declared my solidarity with Al Qaeda". When I read my words taken out of context I was shocked and disappointed that the Daily News would go this far to assassinate my character and distort my views. Such statements with no follow up explanation or interview from KRS-ONE as to what he may have meant or even a complete quote of my point is simply irresponsible journalism on the Daily News' part. I would never just say something as crazy as "we cheered when 911 happened!" I was making an objective point about how many Hiphoppas as well as the oppressed peoples of the world felt that day. I am a philosopher and a critical thinker, I speak truth and I urge people to think critically about themselves and their environment. Yes, my words are strong. Yes, my views are controversial. But to call me a terrorist is simply wrong!

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I was asked by the New Yorker magazine to discuss "different and personal beliefs musicians hold and the contribution artists like myself can make to the nation's political dialog". My views were indeed different and most were personal. However, when I was asked about why Hiphop has not engaged the current situation more (meaning 911) my responds was "because it does not affect us, or at least we don't perceive that it effects us, 911 happened to them". I went on to say that "I am speaking for the culture now; I am not speaking my personal opinion". I continued to say; "911 effected them down the block; the rich, the powerful those that are oppressing us as a culture. Sony, RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations, Clear Channel, Viacom with BET and MTV, those are our oppressors those are the people that we're trying to overcome in Hiphop everyday, this is a daily thing. We cheered when 911 happened in New York and say that proudly here. Because when we were down at the trade center we were getting hit over the head by cops, told that we can't come in this building, hustled down to the train station because of the way we dressed and talked, and so on, we were racially profiled. So, when the planes hit the building we were like; mmmm justice." And just as I began to say "now of course a lot of our friends and family were lost there as well" but I was interrupted.

My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone's loss or gain; and of course I did not literally "cheer when 911 happened". I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. However, for many of us that were racially profiled and harassed by the World's Trade Center's security and the police patrolling that area as well as the thousands of American protesters that spoke out against the World Trade Organization months before in Seattle, Washington there was a sense of justice, a sense of change, a wake up call watching the twin towers fall. These are not my views only; these views represent a popular truth that few people are really ready to hear. No one wished death on anyone or just sat and "cheered when 911 happened". But some of us can see through the bullshit! America must change its approach to the world and its citizens. This, I believe is what all Americans should be thinking about. How do we make our country better?
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'objective statement', cazzo mio. This being an 'objective statement' as to the 'feelings of those oppressed by WT policies' has already been proven wrong in this topic by people saying how blacks did NOT cheer in ANY WAY or consider 9/11 'justice'. You can simply not claim KRS did NOT cheer in ANY WAY either, as he literally said what i made red in the quote above. What he tried to do by writing this subsequent piece of attempted self-justification is excusing very polemic statements by saying that they were a reflection of a popular view as to America and its policies and trying to eliminate their inherent cynicism by pointing out the injustice that was commonplace around the WTC before the attacks. This does, however, not work. None of what he said justifies using the word 'cheering' (which he did use and that's that) in any however metaphorical way or considering the loss of 6,000 mostly innocent people 'justice' of any kind. None of what he said can fool me into overlooking the ambivalence of preaching peace and unity and at the same time saying '9/11 happened to them, so it's justice'. How very unifying, pacifist and philantropical.



--- Quote from: Shallow on October 15, 2004, 09:56:54 PM ---I am a philosopher and a critical thinker, I speak truth
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--- Quote from: Shallow on October 15, 2004, 09:56:54 PM ---I am a poet and I speak poetically
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--- Quote from: Shallow on October 15, 2004, 09:56:54 PM ---KRS-ONE's leadership...
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--- Quote from: Shallow on October 15, 2004, 09:56:54 PM ---For the record, I am an American philosopher. I speak and seek truth
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as for this, i think quoting myself is enough

--- Quote from: Kill on October 16, 2004, 05:33:53 AM ---and what bothers me too is his incredibly presumptous and self-righteous approach to everything. He seems to be absolutely incapable of getting rid of his cockiness for a second (let alone reconsider his views instead of attacking anybody who might not share them), pointing out what a truth-speaking poet and philosopher he is various times. "I'm no. 1, oops sorry i lie, I'm no. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5". He already gets on my nerves compulsively including shit like that in political songs and messages, but in this context it gets sickening. Cocky ass bastard

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what i can add is that the notion that he embodies hiphop as a whole is stuck in his head, better yet an axiom on which he bases practically everything he says...do you know what apodictic means? He considers his subjective views 1. absolutely true with nothing to be added or brought in and 2. reflective of the whole hiphop community with anybody who might not agree being wrong, period. bring up any evidence of the contrary, good luck. his compulsive bigging up himself confirms that to me

--- Quote from: Shallow on October 15, 2004, 09:56:54 PM ---...if you are not prepared to hear what Hiphop has to say about its view of world events then don't ask
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KRS-ONE = HipHop, uhu...F.U.C.K. T.H.A.T.

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