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Do Americans who are voting Kerry vote for him for any reason besides...
7even:
--- Quote from: DaBoss on October 21, 2004, 06:07:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on October 21, 2004, 06:02:26 AM ---
LoL why would you bring up things that wont happen anyway, like no democrats going to the polls and bullshit like this, fatass.
Another point why the system sucks so hard: 3rd parties wont have any say whatsoever.
The only reason why they still go to states like NY is fund-raising.
You're wrong here buddy. Insulting me wont save you.
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My point was that it would happen if people had your logic (or lack there of) since they won't think their vote counts
3rd parties won't have any say? Now you're crossing the line from stupid to retarded. They might not win the election, but if you know anything about U.S. history, then you wouldn't make dumb comments like that.
Insulting you won't save me? There's nothing I need to save myself from; however, now we know why you called me "fatass" (to save yourself). I was pointing out an observation I had made about you... you just made a comment to prove to us how dumb you are with your elementary remarks
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3rd parties have the say to steal votes of the democrats and shit like that, but no way they ever win a state.
I called you a fatass because you called me a bratwurst, just to make it even with the stereotypical attacks.
I dont see how you can possibly say Im dumb for this thread. There are good reasons for not liking this system.
*Jamal*:
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on October 21, 2004, 06:06:41 AM ---hm.. wasnt there another post by me ???
anyways what I also wanted to add is if you say it makes ppl feel bad that live in smaller states... how the hell is that relevant when you go by popular vote? every vote counts the same. no matter what state you live in.
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Ok, I guess I have to repeat myself for the slow ones. Candidates would just care about the larger states and wouldn't give a shit about the smaller ones. The top 5 states (ranked by population) account for about 100 million people. 10% of states = 33% of the population. You think any candidate would visit Wyoming for support? NO. WTF FOR? WHY GO TO WYOMING WITH LESS THAN 500,000 PEOPLE, WHEN YOU CAN VISIT CALIFORNIA WHERE THERE ARE ABOUT 30 MILLION PEOPLE?!
*Jamal*:
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on October 21, 2004, 06:10:58 AM ---3rd parties have the say to steal votes of the democrats and shit like that, but no way they ever win a state.
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Like I said, educate yourself, and actually know what the hell you're talking about before you talk about it. More often than not, 3rd parties gain support for stances they take on certain issues. If they bring up an issue that many people relate to and support, then the Democrat/Republican candidate will see that he could get some extra votes by talking about the issue, so he includes that in his campaign. So, in the end the issue or concern is taken care of, not always to a full extent, but progess is made. That's what 3rd parties often hope to achieve. If you don't believe me, then go read a U.S. history book.
7even:
--- Quote from: DaBoss on October 21, 2004, 06:13:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on October 21, 2004, 06:06:41 AM ---hm.. wasnt there another post by me ???
anyways what I also wanted to add is if you say it makes ppl feel bad that live in smaller states... how the hell is that relevant when you go by popular vote? every vote counts the same. no matter what state you live in.
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Ok, I guess I have to repeat myself for the slow ones. Candidates would just care about the larger states and wouldn't give a shit about the smaller ones. The top 5 states (ranked by population) account for about 100 million people. 10% of states = 33% of the population. You think any candidate would visit Wyoming for support? NO. WTF FOR? WHY GO TO WYOMING WITH LESS THAN 500,000 PEOPLE, WHEN YOU CAN VISIT CALIFORNIA WHERE THERE ARE ABOUT 30 MILLION PEOPLE?!
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I guess I have to repeat myself for the stubborn, pseudo-smart ones.
yea if you talk about visiting, all I can say is that noone will visit wyoming for electoral votes anyway, since they'll vote republican. it is a total waste of time for both candidates. why would a democrat go there if he wont get the majority and therefore nothing anyway. why would a republican go there if he gets the majority no matter what.
on the other side, we got the same thing with new york (for democrats) and also california.
7even:
--- Quote from: DaBoss on October 21, 2004, 06:19:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on October 21, 2004, 06:10:58 AM ---3rd parties have the say to steal votes of the democrats and shit like that, but no way they ever win a state.
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Like I said, educate yourself, and actually know what the hell you're talking about before you talk about it. More often than not, 3rd parties gain support for stances they take on certain issues. If they bring up an issue that many people relate to and support, then the Democrat/Republican candidate will see that he could get some extra votes by talking about the issue, so he includes that in his campaign. So, in the end the issue or concern is taken care of, not always to a full extent, but progess is made. That's what 3rd parties often hope to achieve. If you don't believe me, then go read a U.S. history book.
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well that's really noble but what Nader achieved in 2000 were 2 things:
1) proving that he hasnt the slightest thing to say with this system.. he might change something indirectly like you state, but he has no direct say like in germany where even the smallest parties have a few seats. you go and study a book, one reason why Nader candidates is to prove how unjust the electoral system you have is.
2) taking Gore's votes, so that Bush became President.
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