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I'm no expert when it comes to this, but I THINK things have changed just a tiny bit since "ancient Greece".
By the way, you stated "only the interested and intelligent will vote, and interest and intelligence will be encouranged as a whole". Do you know that this was part of the reason that the electoral college was used in the first place? Obviously you didn't, but someone who PROBABLY knows better than you said this:"It was ... desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the [office of the Presidency] ... A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations"---- Alexander HamiltonPersonally, I think Mr. Hamilton knows a little more about this stuff than some retard named Shallow.
Oh and I said citizens in ancient Greece. I didn't say intellectuals. Citizens would imply all those who could vote, and yes that was just Greek males. I know that, and I never said all intelligent intelligent people. Try learning how to properly derive information through reading before you *check* me.
you have to remember though how outdated that way of thinking is. The founders of this country did not trust the early Americans for a very good reason, no one at that time would see the people runnig for president, nor would they hear them, know them, have any ideas what was going on in the capital. That's why the United States is more of a republic than a democracy. Democracy, everyone votes on everything. Every law that's passed, every bill, everything. Almost like California's propositions, we vote on everything, tax increases, tax cuts, school spending, school cutting, mary jane for medical use, we vote on everything. But the United States does not work like that, we vote in our representives to vote for us in the capital. Our reps vote on laws, taxes, federal things, so basically we are not a true democracy but a republic. That's all good, but I think, that is every single person in our offices are voted by popular vote, I think it is time to vote for our president by popular vote. We should vote for our president as a whole nation, not as divided states. Also, the days of Hamilton are over, we are more informed, we see the people running for presidents in our daily lives. We can make an educated vote on our own, not through no electorial college. It's time to change our system, because our system failed us in 2000 when the man that won the vote lost the election, and we are seeing how it is failing now. We are at a time when only 9 states matter because their populations are split, well other states are ignored because they swing a certain way. Well news flash, in California, there are Republicans too, don't believe me, look at our governor, or the fact that Grey Davis was the only Democrat governor since 1982, and look at what happened to him. Also, in Texas, there are Democrats, don't believe me, why do they usually vote in Democrat governors. Each state has proven to not always vote for a certain party, so why have this system when you ignore 36 million people, just to pay attention to a state with like 9 million. That not demoracy, or even a republic, it's straight up elitism.
Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on October 22, 2004, 05:08:55 AMQuote from: *Jamal* on October 21, 2004, 10:11:47 AMQuote from: 7even the Harbinger on October 21, 2004, 07:58:47 AMJamal, Jamal, Jamal.. all he can do is bringing the same stupid quote up over and over again.Yet the quote isnt considering the topic as such, it just tries to show how I contradict myself.And yet again, I dont contradict myself cause I dont talk about all states. -and you ask me if I can read.You said "The small states arent considered either way cause they always vote for republicans". Now let's break this down. they = the small statesalways vote for republicansWhere does it say that you're referring to "some, but not all small states". Let me guess: You wrote it, but it's in another thread. LOLwhere does it say I was referring to literally all states? you cant find that either. my point was that each system leaves a few countries more out than others.. which made your argument invalid.Are you gonna deny this later also? LOL you fuckin idiot.And by the way, when you say "the small states", in the literal sense, that means you're referring to all small states.For example, if I were to say "Germans are stupid", I'd be referring to all Germans; however, if I were to say "Germans like 7even are stupid", then I'd be classifying a specific group. Now shut up and learn your place. I've proven you wrong about 12 times in 2 threads. That's a record.
Quote from: *Jamal* on October 21, 2004, 10:11:47 AMQuote from: 7even the Harbinger on October 21, 2004, 07:58:47 AMJamal, Jamal, Jamal.. all he can do is bringing the same stupid quote up over and over again.Yet the quote isnt considering the topic as such, it just tries to show how I contradict myself.And yet again, I dont contradict myself cause I dont talk about all states. -and you ask me if I can read.You said "The small states arent considered either way cause they always vote for republicans". Now let's break this down. they = the small statesalways vote for republicansWhere does it say that you're referring to "some, but not all small states". Let me guess: You wrote it, but it's in another thread. LOLwhere does it say I was referring to literally all states? you cant find that either. my point was that each system leaves a few countries more out than others.. which made your argument invalid.
Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on October 21, 2004, 07:58:47 AMJamal, Jamal, Jamal.. all he can do is bringing the same stupid quote up over and over again.Yet the quote isnt considering the topic as such, it just tries to show how I contradict myself.And yet again, I dont contradict myself cause I dont talk about all states. -and you ask me if I can read.You said "The small states arent considered either way cause they always vote for republicans". Now let's break this down. they = the small statesalways vote for republicansWhere does it say that you're referring to "some, but not all small states". Let me guess: You wrote it, but it's in another thread. LOL
Jamal, Jamal, Jamal.. all he can do is bringing the same stupid quote up over and over again.Yet the quote isnt considering the topic as such, it just tries to show how I contradict myself.And yet again, I dont contradict myself cause I dont talk about all states. -and you ask me if I can read.
damn.. dont u get tired about arguing the same shit over and over and over and over and over on a fuck msg board...
Won the discussion? LOL how in the fuck? That's like saying Bush won the 1st debate. You don't win arguments by contradicting yourself, making dumb remarks, and later claiming that "someone moved my post".... LOLLLL *NEXT*