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if lil wytes album isnt better than encore...
7even:
Dont be so sure, at least I am eager to hear Em's production. I heard a lot of his beats already of course, but I think he might have developped ... with his best beats being on that Album.. hopefully, maybe not :D
Kill:
--- Quote from: Shallow on October 23, 2004, 12:38:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: smartass on October 23, 2004, 10:20:30 AM ---yes, shallow, just completely ignore what i said, and continue with your eminem street teaming. you make 12 year old pimple faced white girls seem like fans. if you can't admit something is better than something else, you're a dickrider, plain and simple.
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I didn't ignore what you said, but you are ignoring common sense. How are you going to prove that one album is better than an another? You can't, because it is impossible to do so. You can prove what album you play more, and what eats you like better, but not what is better. There is no better in art. Why can't you see that. You can argue what album will have hte greater impact, and for that I'll put my money on Eminem, but I can never say that Emimen's album IS better, I can only say what I like better. Just becuae I like Eminem better what I think is a terrible excuse for music, South Hip Hop, doesn't mean I'm an Eminem dick ryder. It just means I think 36 Mafia sucks, but I could never factually say that they are worse than Em, I just don't like them.
The best thing you can do is post a poll, and let the people on the forum vote which album is better.
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1. give up on trying to get that point across, he won't listen
2. Are Cunninlynguists, Outkast, Little Brother, Goodie Mob, Dungeon Family and Scarface a terrible excuse for music?
3. The poll thing is a good idea...smartass why don't u do it like this: make a poll, let people vote and if u want u can delete your account if Em takes it?
W-Side:
An album can be better than another one, whether you can prove it or not depends on how obious it is. Illmatic > Game Face = Fact. That doesn't mean nobody can prefer Game Face, all it means is that you'll find more provable quality in Illmatic than in Game Face.. the taste still justifies liking Game Face alot more cause there is no truth in taste, but in provable quality, yes there is.
Illmatic lyrics > Game Face lyrics = fact, it's easy to prove that Nas' lyrics have more of a message, require more skills, have more variety in em, ect. than Master P's
when it comes to rpoduction it's alot more difficult but you can still prove that if one album has nothing but even sounding extremely simple beats with basically the same melody or something but you'll have to find a pretty damn wack produced album to have it that obvious.
replay value is bullshit, it depends 100% on taste and can never be an aspect you can objectively judge anything on
since smartass chose to ignore the easiest way to objectively prove quality (the lyrics) and already expressed his subjective liking (any liking is subjective) for lil whyte's beats + dislike for Em's and the fact that it will clearly be the main aspect for him to judge the albums on and, last but not least even admitted to consider replay value an objective judging aspect, this is indeed a pointless thread.
nobody can possibly prove that there is replay value for him, it's like trying to prove that he likes it. replay value is as subjective as taste as that's what it totally depeds on. The one thing you could do is let the majority decide but I doubt he'll agree on that
Kill:
--- Quote from: L2DB on October 24, 2004, 06:32:07 AM ---An album can be better than another one, whether you can prove it or not depends on how obious it is. Illmatic > Game Face = Fact. That doesn't mean nobody can prefer Game Face, all it means is that you'll find more provable quality in Illmatic than in Game Face.. the taste still justifies liking Game Face alot more cause there is no truth in taste, but in provable quality, yes there is.
Illmatic lyrics > Game Face lyrics = fact, it's easy to prove that Nas' lyrics have more of a message, require more skills, have more variety in em, ect. than Master P's
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...and even that is technically not true. You can count syllables and scrutinize the rhyme structure and make factual statements as to it. You can still claim Master P's lyrics are better...of course 99.999% of people would find that ridiculous, but there is not proof of Illmatic being better, factually
W-Side:
--- Quote from: Kill on October 24, 2004, 06:36:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: L2DB on October 24, 2004, 06:32:07 AM ---An album can be better than another one, whether you can prove it or not depends on how obious it is. Illmatic > Game Face = Fact. That doesn't mean nobody can prefer Game Face, all it means is that you'll find more provable quality in Illmatic than in Game Face.. the taste still justifies liking Game Face alot more cause there is no truth in taste, but in provable quality, yes there is.
Illmatic lyrics > Game Face lyrics = fact, it's easy to prove that Nas' lyrics have more of a message, require more skills, have more variety in em, ect. than Master P's
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...and even that is technically not true. You can count syllables and scrutinize the rhyme structure and make factual statements as to it. You can still claim Master P's lyrics are better...of course 99.999% of people would find that ridiculous, but there is not proof of Illmatic being better, factually
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but I can say Nas showed more lyrical skill on the album which is a fact.
Anybody who can write lyrics like Nas can necessarily write lyrics like Master P. There fore Nas proved he can write his lyrics, he can write Master Ps lyrics and everyting in between --> he can do more than Master P
Skill = ability to do something --> you can do more than somebody else (e.g. write more different styles of lyrics) = you have more skill
so Nas did provable show more lyrical skill on the album, the only thing that could now make anyone say Master P's lyrics are still better is the subject matter but then you could say subject matter is taste, let everyone write what they wanna write about, but when it comes to which lyrics are "better" it's about who got more skill
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