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100,000 Civilians Deaths Since 2003 US Invasion
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on November 08, 2004, 03:17:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on November 08, 2004, 02:35:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Machiavelli on November 08, 2004, 02:25:00 PM ---How many Terrorists have we killed.
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Are you really that retarded?
What if some terrorist said "When we attacked on 9/11, we were aiming to kill the people who might've been a threat to society... we're sure there were at least a few child molestors in that building"
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it was a fair question i'd like to know corellation between civilian and terrorist deaths, the civillian deaths in iraq are disgusting and they only add ammo to terrorist army in the way of increased recruits, i blame american tactics of indescriminate bombings and targeting people without verifying who they are, did anyone see that footage of the crowd of people funning through the street in iraq when an american plane was flying over all that was said was they could see them running it took 2 seconds for comand and control order a misile into the crowd
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how are you going to blame americans when the iraqis do the same thing? it's WAR, get used to it
tommyilromano:
I call bullshit.
Interviews with civilians to determine casualties? You count, not poll, the dead.
BuddenzNasir:
i believe on CNN and Fox News it said the count was wrong, it was not 16,000 it was at a 100,000.....bush is on the best Murder Spree ever.....i bet those Columbine shooters r crying in helll cuz there attempt sucked compared to this one! =p
acbaylove:
1. In the list you should add all the civils (journalists, doctors, etc..) killed by terrorists, and the death of those ones is as brutal and wrong as the death of all the other "innocent" Iraqi people. Cause all i read here is that Americans are bombing innocents. But guess what? Terrorists are doing the same! They bombed the Twin Towers, and there were no soldiers in it (am i wrong?). They boicotted airplanes using innocent people like "bombs". They've bombed Italian Carabinieri, and they were there to help building streets and helping doctors in the Badgad hospitals. They've bombed Red Cross. They've bombed UN. They've bombed Iraqi police. They've killed the most important political Iraqi who were about to instaure Democracy in Iraq. They've killed journalists and beheaded people live on tv. So please, when you make topics like this one, always remember that. Cause if you dont, you only say a small part of the story. Dont reply with: "They had to defend themselves", cause i didnt quote the deaths of soldiers, but the deaths of innocent people who wasnt fighting a war. Just like the "poor" Iraqi citizen arent.
2. This research has NOTHING scientific, like i said. It's impossible to determine the exact number of killed people from Baltimore, or interviewing the population. One example: when the war was at his best, sometimes a bomb bombed a plaza. Well, if you interviewed the common people the deaths were 200, if you interviewed the Red Cross and the Iraqi police the deaths were 20 and if you interviewed the Americans the deads were terrorists. Who do you trust? Why? This poll counted probably the "rumors" from the common people, but it's nothing "scientific". It's like when parties makes parades in the streets and manifestations. If you ask it to the organizators, there are 300,000 people parading. If you ask it to the Police, there are 50,000 people parading. It's like that everywere. You cant simply say that they were 300,000 just cause you interviewed someone. You know what i mean? If you wanna do something scientifical, you have to count them one by one. If you cant, simply dont sell your poll like something "scientifical", expecially when the US Government says deaths are like 14-20,000 and you say they are 100,000.
3. It's not possible to make a war and not kills innocent guys. The population is ALWAYS the first victim of every war. But this one wasnt a war Iraq vs USA. This one was something different. USA invaded Iraq to free their population from Saddam. They did. If you ask the politicians in Iraq, and the organizations of Iraqi refugees all over the world, they all thank USA for their support. Of course they aint satisfacted about victims, but they know it's impossible to make peace without fighting. Also, if you ask UN now, they'll say to stay there cause now that the first step is done, they have to give Iraq freedom by letting them organize free elections. Once again, when you have a mission, you have to judge it, and not the number of deaths. If the mission was to free Iraq, then the mission is almost complete. Then you can discuss if the "mission" was right or wrong, but you cant use the civils deads to argument it. Cause like i said, when you make a war, you make victims. And your men got killed.
4. You should ask Iraqi people: "do you prefeer to die to have freedom or do you prefeer to live under the Saddam regime?". REAL MEN should better die then living trapped. So ask them if the deads are dead in vain or if they're dead to make Iraq (and them all) free. Ask it.
5. I can quote you dozen of other polls about Iraqi deads in Iraq since 2003 US Invasion. Some are "bigger" (150,000), some are "smaller" (12,000), some are in the middle. Where's the scientific thing in all that?
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: Rampant on November 08, 2004, 06:24:15 PM ---I just read that at least 15,000 innocent civillians were killed. 100,000 is a little off.
And honestly, how do people in baltimore know how many innocent iraqis have died? Its not like their counting dead bodies themselves.
But im not going to go against your argument that lots of innocent civillians are dying. Even if the number was 5,000 that is still too many, especially when our "goal" is to liberate them.
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from what i heard it was a joint iraqi american group who carried out the survey based on the average loss of life per family i think it was something like 1 in 20 families had a family member die as a result of the invasion, falluja was excluded from the poll die to the high loss of life. i am more inclined to believe the 100000 figure due to the amount of bombs america has dropped opporation shock and ore probably did 16000 alone.
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