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us marine kills wounded, unarmed man in a mosque in al-falluja
tommyilromano:
--- Quote from: Dangerfield on November 16, 2004, 12:33:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on November 16, 2004, 09:54:11 AM ---lol are you really that impressed that we are winning a war against a tiny militia? no one expected us to lose in Iraq, but no one expected us to do as badly as we are doing.
Did you forget, your leader declared the war over more than a year ago now? lol how do you seriously sit around and justify all this nonsense to youself? It makes no sense. The war was declared over a year ago, and more people are still continuing to die. We didn't route 2000 insurgents in fallujah. The insurgents all left, thats why new fighting is breaking out all over iraq this week.
I don't doubt that we will win the war in Iraq? But who the hell is the war even against? It was supposed to be against saddam. He is gone now. Then we were there to liberate iraq. Now we are there to beat iraq?
This isn't baseball asshole. When the score is 35-1000 that isn't points. That is dead bodies. Do you realize this? Because you talk about war like its a game.
So when the mission is accomplished and we finally beat Iraq then what? How do we deal with the rest of the terrorist threat? Al-Queda exists in 60 countries, and they are just ONE terrorist group, there are plenty more. Granted Al-Queda is the biggest, but we are having a tough time with a shitty little insurgency in Iraq. I'm looking forward to the day you go over there. Then you will realize how childish you've been all this time, when u see bullets flying by you and then they hit you and you realize, its not Halo. You don't go run, and grab the health pack, and rejoin the battle. You sit there and die or wake up in a hosipital in pain for weeks.
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1. tiny militia? 2000 dead, 1000 captured in fallujah and you consider this tiny? this happens to be the only people we happened to kill and capture...there could be numbers more. it's harder to fight a war against people that look like civilians than it is against a country's army that all have the same uniform... a person in iraq can ride his bike, drop off a IED, kill 8 people and then be off to work....i don't expect you to comprehend this because all you do is sit behind your computer reading articles.
2. if you want to be technical...the war was already over, it was declared over almost a year ago...right now we're just providing security...so while sadaam is gone, there's always the need for security
3. i've already been in one warzone, i've got medals for it. i've done charity and security work in countries where we had to have a group of marines watch us while we try to rebuild schools,and got medals for that. Now i'm training to be in a combat unit that's headed to iraq in jan.... don't sit behind your computer and preach to me what might happen to me, i'm well aware of all this and more. if anyone has a right to talk and debate on this subject it's me, because while all you guys make up reasons on how this situation effects your life, it REALLY effects my life
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Good luck with Iraq! I probably won't end up there since I am already "deployed" at Incirlik AB. Its easy for the Europeans (except the Italians, Polish, and some other small countries there) to point the finger when they have done nothing to reslove it any other way. There is a large amount of stress that goes along with war so I will not judge this marine all I saw was the 30 second clip.
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on November 17, 2004, 09:18:55 AM ---Listen up... most of our enemies in Iraq aren't terrorists, they're Iraqi citizens fighting what they see as an oppression, a colonization, etc. They didn't come here and kill our citizens, we went there.
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I know. I was talking about terrorists cause you said: "Personally, I see it the same way you do, the U.S. soldiers are just as horrible as those terrorists". Not cause i think all the people in Iraq are terrorists. I've never said that. Let's talk about terrorism. They actually went in the USA to kill their citizens. They went to Turkey to kill their citizens. They went to Spain to kill their citizens. They went to Bali to kill their citizens. Etc.. People from all over the world who had nothing to do with Americans, and nothing to do with the war. That's why i'm saying they have no excuses for what they did. You are talking about resistence, and that's a totally different thing. So maybe you wrote it wrong? Maybe you meant "Personally, I see it the same way you do, the U.S. soldiers are just as horrible as those PEOPLE FROM THE RESISTENCE?".
--- Quote ---I'm not defending terrorism, but when it comes to the war on Iraq, I can't say that the Iraqi insurgents are at fault. Terrorists kill innocent people because they think that maybe the leaders of the countries those innocent people are from will get the off their land, out of their country. Obviously it's dumb for them to think that because it's evident that our government has no regard for human lives when it comes to taking over countries and benefitting financially.
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So how do you explain terrorists killing Turkish people? Killing youngs in a disco in Bali? Killing people in the Twin Towers BEFORE the two wars? Killing students in Spain? Did Turkey, Spain, Italy, Bali etc.. take a benefitting financially from something? Man terrorism is wrong. Period.
Ðøšïå:
^ so how do you explain us going into their country and blowing up inncoent civilians. is your excuse "Whoops, the bomb didnt hit the right target!" From what ive read we have killed over 100,000 innocent. they (as in terrorists not innocent) killed what 3500 of us during the attack on the towers? I by no means support terrorism but i think this "war in iraq" is bullshit.
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: Dosia on November 17, 2004, 11:19:48 AM ---^ so how do you explain us going into their country and blowing up inncoent civilians. is your excuse "Whoops, the bomb didnt hit the right target!" From what ive read we have killed over 100,000 innocent. they (as in terrorists not innocent) killed what 3500 of us during the attack on the towers? I by no means support terrorism but i think this "war in iraq" is bullshit.
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1- I'm Italian, i can explain what Italians are doing in Iraq. And it's different from what US soldiers are doing.
2- I wrote maybe 10 times in this topic i dont support the war and i think it's wrong.
When i say i dont support terrorism and that terrorism is wrong, i'm not automatically supporting any war. Get it straight.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Dosia on November 17, 2004, 11:19:48 AM ---^ so how do you explain us going into their country and blowing up inncoent civilians. is your excuse "Whoops, the bomb didnt hit the right target!" From what ive read we have killed over 100,000 innocent. they (as in terrorists not innocent) killed what 3500 of us during the attack on the towers? I by no means support terrorism but i think this "war in iraq" is bullshit.
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it is bullshit but since it's happening, we might as well try to get some good done, those insurgents are destroying everything and anything they want to....i know they want america to look bad and get out but they are the leading cause of the 100,000 civilian deaths. after the war was declared over, that should have ended the majority of the violence, there would be no more need for large US forces, bombing runs and all that, we would have just rebuilt and got out... now not only are they killing their people, they're causing us to kill their people and the US is going to do the same thing they planned on doing
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