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Quote from: Antonio on November 19, 2004, 05:51:38 AMQuote from: tommyilromano on November 19, 2004, 05:30:24 AMQuote from: 7even the Harbinger on November 19, 2004, 01:53:51 AMbeing Italian doesnt imply you can't be a Bush supporter. In fact, Italians are known for being the least Bush-Hating nation in Europe, with their leader licking Bush's nuts and being a total Stan.Yeah... Thats what I think of when I think of Italy. "What a bunch of non-Bush haters"... I mean because thats what Italians are known for.But that's wrong! I mean look at Spanish. They fought the war!! (we didnt). So Aznar was even more Stan than Berlusconi. All of a sudden Zapatero won. And now all of a sudden Spain is against the war? I think you can say it with no problems: 85% of the population of Europe was and still IS against the war in Iraq. What the leaders do doesnt always reflect the opinion of the common people. I think the majority of the population of Spain didnt want to make a war. Still they did it. And i think i can say the same about English. Talking about Italians, 89% of the population didnt want us to send them Carabinieri's to help Iraqi (cause it was too dangerous, in fact they bombed our HQ and killed 30 men). Still we went there. It's wrong to judge a nation by their leader. But i understand that's the vision Italians give to the world.....Ma era sarcastico! I was not being serious. I know that c'mon dude. I guess I need to make myself more clear next time.
Quote from: tommyilromano on November 19, 2004, 05:30:24 AMQuote from: 7even the Harbinger on November 19, 2004, 01:53:51 AMbeing Italian doesnt imply you can't be a Bush supporter. In fact, Italians are known for being the least Bush-Hating nation in Europe, with their leader licking Bush's nuts and being a total Stan.Yeah... Thats what I think of when I think of Italy. "What a bunch of non-Bush haters"... I mean because thats what Italians are known for.But that's wrong! I mean look at Spanish. They fought the war!! (we didnt). So Aznar was even more Stan than Berlusconi. All of a sudden Zapatero won. And now all of a sudden Spain is against the war? I think you can say it with no problems: 85% of the population of Europe was and still IS against the war in Iraq. What the leaders do doesnt always reflect the opinion of the common people. I think the majority of the population of Spain didnt want to make a war. Still they did it. And i think i can say the same about English. Talking about Italians, 89% of the population didnt want us to send them Carabinieri's to help Iraqi (cause it was too dangerous, in fact they bombed our HQ and killed 30 men). Still we went there. It's wrong to judge a nation by their leader. But i understand that's the vision Italians give to the world.
Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on November 19, 2004, 01:53:51 AMbeing Italian doesnt imply you can't be a Bush supporter. In fact, Italians are known for being the least Bush-Hating nation in Europe, with their leader licking Bush's nuts and being a total Stan.Yeah... Thats what I think of when I think of Italy. "What a bunch of non-Bush haters"... I mean because thats what Italians are known for.
being Italian doesnt imply you can't be a Bush supporter. In fact, Italians are known for being the least Bush-Hating nation in Europe, with their leader licking Bush's nuts and being a total Stan.
Quote from: Ant on November 18, 2004, 03:44:57 PMhttp://ucdata.berkeley.edu/A new report to be published by UC Berkley suggets the 2004 vote may have been hacked. This study was conducted by a member of the National Academy of Sciences in collaboration with doctoral students at UC Berkley. You can DL the full report at the link below, or just read the summary. Full Report:http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/new_web/VOTE2004/election04_WP.pdfSummary:Irregularities associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded 130,000 excess votes or more to President George W.Bush in Florida.Compared to counties with paper ballots, counties with electronic voting machines were significantly more likely to show increasesin support for President Bush between 2000 and 2004. This effect cannot be explained by differences between counties in income,number of voters, change in voter turnout, or size of Hispanic/Latino population.In Broward County alone, President Bush appears to have received approximately 72,000 excess votes.We can be 99.9% sure that these effects are not attributable to chance.Yeah... Berkeley is a source i would trust for unbiased data.
http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/A new report to be published by UC Berkley suggets the 2004 vote may have been hacked. This study was conducted by a member of the National Academy of Sciences in collaboration with doctoral students at UC Berkley. You can DL the full report at the link below, or just read the summary. Full Report:http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/new_web/VOTE2004/election04_WP.pdfSummary:Irregularities associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded 130,000 excess votes or more to President George W.Bush in Florida.Compared to counties with paper ballots, counties with electronic voting machines were significantly more likely to show increasesin support for President Bush between 2000 and 2004. This effect cannot be explained by differences between counties in income,number of voters, change in voter turnout, or size of Hispanic/Latino population.In Broward County alone, President Bush appears to have received approximately 72,000 excess votes.We can be 99.9% sure that these effects are not attributable to chance.
Quote from: Ant on November 18, 2004, 11:45:49 PMyou're not a bush supporter? then why do you come in my threads defending Bush like he is your cousin? you get almost as pissed as engelwood does. seriously, if you dislike threads about Bush, don't read them. literally they take up 1/20th of ur computer screen, you don't have to click and read my threads, i dont read threads that dont' interest me. i suggest you stop doing the same. Now as far as this article goes I read the summary, not the full report because it takes less time to read the summary than to read 8 pages of statistics. According to the summary:"The data show with 99.0% certainty that a county’s use of electronic voting is associated with a disproportionate increase in votes for President Bush."Ok, now I will admit that my use of the word 'hacked' may have been excessive.Man that's the only shit i dislike about you. Not the articles you quote. But the comment you sometimes add by yourself. Like Afghanistan not producing opium with Talibans and Bush being the one to blame, or like this analys that "suggests 04 vote may have been hacked". I mean if you post this article in full it's ok, if i wanna read it i will. But when you add those comments, be sure of what you write, or you get paranoid and i dont trust you no more. You know what i mean? I'm not defending Bush. Actually i replied only to 2 of your topics about him, the last 2. The reasons?1- Cause i've read that document by Costas before you.2- Cause i've read the word "hacked", and i knew it wasnt possible for an University to prove it, when thousands of lawyers didnt.That's it. Continue to make all the topics you want, but please.. be careful when you comment things and blame people. Cool?
you're not a bush supporter? then why do you come in my threads defending Bush like he is your cousin? you get almost as pissed as engelwood does. seriously, if you dislike threads about Bush, don't read them. literally they take up 1/20th of ur computer screen, you don't have to click and read my threads, i dont read threads that dont' interest me. i suggest you stop doing the same. Now as far as this article goes I read the summary, not the full report because it takes less time to read the summary than to read 8 pages of statistics. According to the summary:"The data show with 99.0% certainty that a county’s use of electronic voting is associated with a disproportionate increase in votes for President Bush."Ok, now I will admit that my use of the word 'hacked' may have been excessive.
Yeah, i was replying more to Jamal than to you.
Quote from: Antonio on November 19, 2004, 07:01:01 AMYeah, i was replying more to Jamal than to you. I haven't posted in this thread. This is my 1st post, so what the fuck are you claiming to be replying to?
Quote from: Antonio on November 19, 2004, 02:23:53 AMQuote from: Ant on November 18, 2004, 11:45:49 PMyou're not a bush supporter? then why do you come in my threads defending Bush like he is your cousin? you get almost as pissed as engelwood does. seriously, if you dislike threads about Bush, don't read them. literally they take up 1/20th of ur computer screen, you don't have to click and read my threads, i dont read threads that dont' interest me. i suggest you stop doing the same. Now as far as this article goes I read the summary, not the full report because it takes less time to read the summary than to read 8 pages of statistics. According to the summary:"The data show with 99.0% certainty that a county’s use of electronic voting is associated with a disproportionate increase in votes for President Bush."Ok, now I will admit that my use of the word 'hacked' may have been excessive.Man that's the only shit i dislike about you. Not the articles you quote. But the comment you sometimes add by yourself. Like Afghanistan not producing opium with Talibans and Bush being the one to blame, or like this analys that "suggests 04 vote may have been hacked". I mean if you post this article in full it's ok, if i wanna read it i will. But when you add those comments, be sure of what you write, or you get paranoid and i dont trust you no more. You know what i mean? I'm not defending Bush. Actually i replied only to 2 of your topics about him, the last 2. The reasons?1- Cause i've read that document by Costas before you.2- Cause i've read the word "hacked", and i knew it wasnt possible for an University to prove it, when thousands of lawyers didnt.That's it. Continue to make all the topics you want, but please.. be careful when you comment things and blame people. Cool?Ok agreed, and understood.
ROFL!! Man soon i'll start having nightmares about you!
Quote from: *Jamal* on November 19, 2004, 07:33:25 AMQuote from: Antonio on November 19, 2004, 07:01:01 AMYeah, i was replying more to Jamal than to you. I haven't posted in this thread. This is my 1st post, so what the fuck are you claiming to be replying to?ROFL!! Man soon i'll start having nightmares about you! Sorry, it was 7even.
Quote from: Antonio on November 19, 2004, 08:18:17 AMQuote from: *Jamal* on November 19, 2004, 07:33:25 AMQuote from: Antonio on November 19, 2004, 07:01:01 AMYeah, i was replying more to Jamal than to you. I haven't posted in this thread. This is my 1st post, so what the fuck are you claiming to be replying to?ROFL!! Man soon i'll start having nightmares about you! Sorry, it was 7even.In that case, lol, yes the spanish dudes were hardcore against the war and their former leader didnt give a shit. Still, Berlusconi is known for 3 things:- being an asshole- being curupt- being a bush-stanfits if you ask me.