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When and Why did RnB and Rock n Roll become to different genres?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: SGV on November 29, 2004, 10:37:58 AM ---She's R & B to me.
Justin Timberlake's solo was R & B, but N Sync shit is Pop. Why? The beats/vibe and the direction.
There is a difference, if you ask me. It's not color-based, it just so happens, that most white's will make Pop and most blacks will make R & B.
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So than what is Marvin Gaye, or B2K. Pop isn't a genre, it's a status. When you are popular or perform a popular sound it is pop. In 94 Snoop was pop. In 2000 Eminem was pop. In 92 Nirvana was pop. Puddle of Mudd who basically ripped of Nirvava a couple years ago, but they were never pop.
SGV:
Marvin Gaye is Soul. FUCK THE BULLSHIT! LOL. B2K is the borderline of R&B and Pop. Pop is a style, IMO. Being Pop and making Pop Music are two different things. Lil Jon, Snoop and Jay-Z are Pop, but they DO NOT make Pop Music.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: SGV on November 29, 2004, 11:45:37 AM ---Marvin Gaye is Soul. FUCK THE BULLSHIT! LOL. B2K is the borderline of R&B and Pop. Pop is a style, IMO. Being Pop and making Pop Music are two different things. Lil Jon, Snoop and Jay-Z are Pop, but they DO NOT make Pop Music.
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So what do you call "Can I Get A witness", Heard It through The Grapevine", "Ain't No Mountain High Enough"? They were all catchy songs written by other people and sung by Marvin Gaye in order to make record sales. Isn't that your definition of pop?
I like pop. I just don't like second rate artists singing second rate songs. When Motwon or Elvis did it, it was great. When the Righteous Brothers did it it was great. The current artists and songs just aren't that good.
If you think What's My Name or Hard Knock Life wasn't put out with the intention to become popular and make money, then I don't know what to say.
On The Edge of Insanity:
There is a definite difference between RnB and Soul. To be fair, if you look at most of the artists that are considered to be rnb, they are just black pop artists, i.e. Usher, B2K, 112, etc. Some would now call people like Bilal, and Anthony Hamiliton RnB, but they to me are Soul, as would Joss Stone or Alicia Keys be. And, going by that Soul and Rock N Roll are too seperate things. They started off as one, back with Little Richard, and that generation, and then split with the whole british invasion of rock n roll, and labels like Motown putting out loads of soul music. They both came from the same place, but are now two seperate entities.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Rastaman Vibration on November 29, 2004, 01:09:23 PM ---There is a definite difference between RnB and Soul. To be fair, if you look at most of the artists that are considered to be rnb, they are just black pop artists, i.e. Usher, B2K, 112, etc. Some would now call people like Bilal, and Anthony Hamiliton RnB, but they to me are Soul, as would Joss Stone or Alicia Keys be. And, going by that Soul and Rock N Roll are too seperate things. They started off as one, back with Little Richard, and that generation, and then split with the whole british invasion of rock n roll, and labels like Motown putting out loads of soul music. They both came from the same place, but are now two seperate entities.
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As far as I know soul music basically RnB with Gospel elements. Ray Charles was a big part of it. A soul song is basicallly an RnB ballad. "My Girl" certainly shouldn't be considered soul, and if it is then most Elvis songs should be as well. I can't see how soul and rock ballads are so different. I mean what is Unchained Melody by the Righteous Brothers ? (featured in Ghost). Is that song so different than the Barry White stuff. Like Billy Joel said "It's still Rock n Roll to me". I'd include Reggae in that too, since it was heavily inspired by the 50s rock, as well as the calypso, etc. Go find out what kind of bands Bob Marley was in when he was younger, and see how he dressed.
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