DUBCC - Tha Connection > Outbound Connection
Nas Sparks Controversy w/ 'Coon Picnic' Song
Shallow:
--- Quote from: SGV on December 08, 2004, 11:33:47 AM ---Shallow, just let it go. You're on the outside looking in. Juronimo is black, he feels what Nas is saying and understands it.
--- End quote ---
This has to do with right and wrong, not black and not black. I hate when people say if you're not black then you can't...... whatever. Nas tries to come off as this holier than thou type of person and he constanty contradicts it. If some KKK guy said the same thing I probably wouldn't think anything of it, because that guy would be seen as the idiot he is and there would be no reason for me say what had already been said by everyone else, but it isn't okay for a black person to show racism against blacks or accuse them of being less "black" than they should be.
i love men who take pictures with their booty's out:
nas aint mention bill kuz bill.. is already speakin out on the shit we do..and he is already catchin heat for finally jus comin out and sayin what needed to be said..thanx 2 wanda syke's
and alll the shit nas said.. it aint like none of the people he dissed will lose anysleep
"It aint nuthin but muuuuuuuuuuuuusic" -"outlaw" 2pac
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 08, 2004, 12:25:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: SGV on December 08, 2004, 11:33:47 AM ---Shallow, just let it go. You're on the outside looking in. Juronimo is black, he feels what Nas is saying and understands it.
--- End quote ---
This has to do with right and wrong, not black and not black. I hate when people say if you're not black then you can't...... whatever. Nas tries to come off as this holier than thou type of person and he constanty contradicts it. If some KKK guy said the same thing I probably wouldn't think anything of it, because that guy would be seen as the idiot he is and there would be no reason for me say what had already been said by everyone else, but it isn't okay for a black person to show racism against blacks or accuse them of being less "black" than they should be.
--- End quote ---
The funny thing is that white people really have an issue with blacks talking about the black community, because it's one thing they cannot control. Black will not have any of this talking about black issues. Now if Eminem talks about white America, his an artist genious, his stating his opinion, but if Nas is talking about the state of black people, you get pissed because it's not your place to say shit, but Nas can. You are saying his racist, for dissing black people for doing stupit shit. It's a black community issue, and you get mad because you can't understand it has nothing to so with black and white, or right or wrong. What this has to do with is self image, it has to do with self hate of your race, and many other issues. I can give examples in the Latin community, because that's what I know, and speaking to many black people, they have the same issues. Like when a child is born, it's better to be lighter, because lighter is considered more attractive. In music videos, it's the lighter girls because that's see as beautiful. In Latin communities, if a woman is attractive enough, she will more than likely marry a white man, because that's considered a step up in class status. Black women though are not liked by white men, except white men that want to be black. When a Latin man gets an education, he goes for white women because they are a sign that they have made it, they can be accepted by white America. I've heard the same with black. In our communities, many women are left by the men that are still in the community, because our good men leave and marry white women (more of a myth, since that's our women's excuse to why there is no good Latin men) My mom was not a racist, but before she died she said it very clearly she does not want me to marry a white woman. It's an issue that deals with us, and our self hate of our race, not the white race. You guys just happen to be who we try to be like. The issue is even deeper than that. That's all just a quick type out. You can't even begin to understand it, so please don't try.
BuddenzNasir:
this is fucking sad, trying to get on Nas and prove hes racist, or retarded and doesnt have his opinions straight. people just done get it. this topic is pointless now, no ones opinions r gunna change it seems....its just music. its his opinion...dont like...dont fuckin listen to and get over it...its on the CD, its in America...ur fucked.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Lost Angel on December 08, 2004, 04:07:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 08, 2004, 12:25:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: SGV on December 08, 2004, 11:33:47 AM ---Shallow, just let it go. You're on the outside looking in. Juronimo is black, he feels what Nas is saying and understands it.
--- End quote ---
This has to do with right and wrong, not black and not black. I hate when people say if you're not black then you can't...... whatever. Nas tries to come off as this holier than thou type of person and he constanty contradicts it. If some KKK guy said the same thing I probably wouldn't think anything of it, because that guy would be seen as the idiot he is and there would be no reason for me say what had already been said by everyone else, but it isn't okay for a black person to show racism against blacks or accuse them of being less "black" than they should be.
--- End quote ---
The funny thing is that white people really have an issue with blacks talking about the black community, because it's one thing they cannot control. Black will not have any of this talking about black issues. Now if Eminem talks about white America, his an artist genious, his stating his opinion, but if Nas is talking about the state of black people, you get pissed because it's not your place to say shit, but Nas can. You are saying his racist, for dissing black people for doing stupit shit. It's a black community issue, and you get mad because you can't understand it has nothing to so with black and white, or right or wrong. What this has to do with is self image, it has to do with self hate of your race, and many other issues. I can give examples in the Latin community, because that's what I know, and speaking to many black people, they have the same issues. Like when a child is born, it's better to be lighter, because lighter is considered more attractive. In music videos, it's the lighter girls because that's see as beautiful. In Latin communities, if a woman is attractive enough, she will more than likely marry a white man, because that's considered a step up in class status. Black women though are not liked by white men, except white men that want to be black. When a Latin man gets an education, he goes for white women because they are a sign that they have made it, they can be accepted by white America. I've heard the same with black. In our communities, many women are left by the men that are still in the community, because our good men leave and marry white women (more of a myth, since that's our women's excuse to why there is no good Latin men) My mom was not a racist, but before she died she said it very clearly she does not want me to marry a white woman. It's an issue that deals with us, and our self hate of our race, not the white race. You guys just happen to be who we try to be like. The issue is even deeper than that. That's all just a quick type out. You can't even begin to understand it, so please don't try.
--- End quote ---
Some of this may apply to some white people, but not me.
1) You shouldn't generalize. You can't prove that every white man that goes with a black women is trying to be black. I never cared what race a woman is. If I'm attracted to her I just am.
2) I don't care what Eminem says because Eminem publicly states he's full of shit, and I don't now nor ever see him as someone that should be setting an example. Nas is an advocate on setting examples, and constantly criticizes those who put down women and such. (even though he does the same). Besides there is a difference between "White America" and "Coon Picnic". Eminem is just retelling the tale of his success the way he sees it. It's safe to assume that if he were a black rapper that less white kids would look up to him and buy his album. History has shown that people favor their own in. He probably is right. Em isn't dissing anybody for being white in the song. If he called all whites stupid and evil, like that "Hip Hop is Dead" guy does then I would disagree. I wouldn't feel to strongly on arguing because Em is an idiot and normally says stupid shit. He never claims to be holy. Nas claims to be Jesus, I expect more from Nas. Not because he's black, but because he assumes the righteous role. If Bill Cosby said all whites are evil and ruin everything I'd be disappointed in his ignorance and publicly disagree. I'd call him stupid and a moron, much like I am Nas. The same goes if Mel Gibson called blacks inferior. I mean if a guy makes 200 million cash on a movie promoting his love for Jesus and then contradicts everything Jesus would have said or done, then I'd get upset and disappointed.
It has nothing to do with color. It has to with right and wrong. Yeah maybe we do live in a time where black men who go with white women are seen as sell outs by their black community, but Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins fame, once said "the best artists are those that stand above the times, not with the times". If Nas wants to express the generally feeling of the black community that's fine, but he doesn't have to point the finger and make it seem like these men are doing something evil.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version