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Nas Sparks Controversy w/ 'Coon Picnic' Song
[sepehr]:
Honestly, I think you guys are taking this way too seriously...it's just a song..let it go
DJ_Jay_Deee:
--- Quote from: Sikotic Got More Game Than The Final Fantasy Series YA HEARD!!! on December 09, 2004, 12:39:38 PM ---Just don't listen to it. It will save you all a lot of trouble.
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The man speaks the truth.
Shallow:
Wow, I had no idea you had all these personal issues. Allow me to try and ease your pain and give you another perspective that maybe you can try and spread in your neighborhood. I'm not trying to say you can change society but change has happenned before and it has to start somewhere. You never know.
--- Quote from: Lost Angel on December 10, 2004, 04:20:10 PM ---Greeks, Jews, Irish, Italians, they all have struggled, and get along great with minority communities. But this is not about what you are thinking. As I've stated, over and over and over and over again, it's self image and self hate. How darker people view themselves, and how we hate what we see. We see a society that tells us white skin, blue eyes and blond hair is hot.
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I'll admit that I don't come from a culture that is based on self hate, but there are Jews that go through that because of the accusations made against them. I assume it isn't easy being Polish, with all the jokes and all. Blue eyes and blond hair is hardly common for whites. Besides for you a little whiter may be seen as better, but for us a little darker is better. Look at all the whites that tan, or frown upon really pale girls.
--- Quote from: Lost Angel on December 10, 2004, 04:20:10 PM ---There are very few black models, and just a little bit more Latina models than black. Our societies image of what's beautiful is Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson and if they are a different race, then they have to be light like a Christina Aguilera. That's the issue, the issue of our men going to different races because that's what they are told is beauty, not a beautiful black woman or Latina, but a blond hair, blue eyed woman. Also, since it's taboo, white women go for darker men. And our women are left being the worst objectified women in the country by their own men, as our men run credit cards up there ass, or spank them with stop signs. Our women are not shown as beautiful, but as slutty, trashy. In order to be a beautiful Latina, or black, you have to show skin, shake your ass, have a big ass that you are willing to hang out. It's not ok to just wear a beautiful dress to an award show, our women have to slut themselves. That's the issue, I can write more, and I mean a lot more, as this is just part of the issue.
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I'm going to have to disagree with this. Women in general are objectified. Britney Spears? C'mon man if you think she doesn't slut it up then you're fooling yourself. Jessica Simpson doesn't exactly where coveralls either. Look at Jennifer Lopez, who isn't white Latina by any means and she is viewed as a beautiful woman, and hardly sluts it up anymore than the other white beautiful women. Whitney Houston never had to get naked or objectify herself. Aretha Franklin wasn't exactly the type of woman you'd expect to be in the forefront, but she was always treated with class and respect. She was dark and overweight. Halle Berry was seen as the most beautiful woman in the world well before she showed any skin.
Oh and you wanna see objectifying? Go watch an 80s Hair Metal video and see all the white girls slut it up for David Lee Roth, Poison, Motley Crue. It just so happens that rap is the scene now and I'm assuming the rappers choose what kind of girls they want to show, because when the metal guys did it a black girl was rare in their videos, and the girls in those videos were just as disrespected as they are now.
--- Quote from: Lost Angel on December 10, 2004, 04:20:10 PM --- Yes, Greeks, Irish, Italians, Jews, they've struggled, but the interracial dating thing is not just about struggle, it's self image and self hate, and how we hate ourselves because we can't be white.
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Go to the Greek Islands and take a look at the average skin complexion. You'll find that they're actually rather dark. Not too dark obviously but some are as dark and darker than Derek Jeter. Anyway, it may not be about self hate but it is still prejudice when Greeks or Jews or Italians frown upon mixed breeding.
--- Quote from: Lost Angel on December 10, 2004, 04:20:10 PM ---And for your comment on Mexico, go to Mexico, very few rich white people, millions of poor brown people. And yes, there was some intermixing, that's because we have the same issue, if a woman can be pretty enough, she'll get a white man, if a man makes it, he gets a white woman. In Latin culture, more so that black culture, we thrive to be white. Because white's are higher class, they have more money, they are seen as more attractive, we don't care about our struggle, because we don't know we are in one. We are in a struggle trying to be white, because we hate ourself. We hate having dark skin because it means we are poor, we hate that we aren't from Europe, because it mean we came from savages, we hate our dark hair, our dark eyes and anything else that's part of us, because it makes it harder to fit a European image. You don't understand it, because you can't.
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I think you should take your Mexican friends to Flint Michigan, Asbury Park New Jersey, or about 1000 other loser towns in the states, and see what normal white people live like. The well to do Americans are about 2% of Americans. There are more poor whites in the USA than there are poor blacks and Latinos combined. Total blacks and Latinos make up less than 30% of Americans, so the poor black and Latino obviously make up less than 30%. I'd bet at least 50% of white Americans are around or below the poverty line, maybe 40% above the poverty line and 8% live pretty good. This leaves the 2% to strive as rich folks do. White people are about 70% of the country. Go to the rest of the white world and you'll see the same thing. That European image you find so hard to achieve is just as hard for the average white guy to achieve. Trust me on this.
--- Quote from: Lost Angel on December 10, 2004, 04:20:10 PM ---You never grew up with girls that will turn you down, and straight up say, because you are too dark. I'm talking about my own Mexicans. I am talking about more than once. It makes you want to have lighter skin, because if you had lighter skin, you can date the girls you want. And our girls are raised to find white men, our men are raised that lighter girls are better. We are in a struggle to be light. We can't understand what it's like to be raised in a culture that hate's it's own self. You'll never understand it.
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I did not grow up around girls that would turn away because I was too dark. I grew up around girls that would turn away because I was too light, or white. I grew up in a predominantly black area. The blacks girls didn't want the white kid from around the corner and the white girls wanted the cool black guys. The Greek girls were told their whole lives to stay away from black guys. This lead to them finding black guys very desirable. I was the guy that would show up at the door to pick them up so their parents knew thought they were going out with a nice Greek boy. Then they run off with the black guys. It didn't bother me though since I did it more for my black friends and I personally was against going with girls in my area, simply because I don't want to run into girls when I don't want to see them. However I had a couple white and Greek friends that would get really pissed off and wish they were black. So it does work both ways.
Most of the black girls here don't really go for white guys. The ones that mature past the street phase end up with more mature educated sophisticated men, but usually black men.
Let me end this by saying I feel bad that Latino societies actually look up to the mess that is white European society. If they only knew how few whites actually succeed in life and become rich. My advice to you is to find a girl you want to be with and any girl that discounts a guy for how light or dark skin is isn't one worth marrying or being with. I guess I was lucky growing up in such a multicultural city where we see so many faults and assets of so many races that we realize what equality is with out needing to be told.
LOL I can't believe this all started because of what Nas said about black men selling out. The last few posts have nothing to do with that.
Doggystylin:
my fingers constantly smell like cinamon
SGV:
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on December 10, 2004, 05:21:44 AM ---
It's not about realistic or not headnut. I just want to explain to you why Nas is a dick to me, which I did. If he disses blacks for acting white basically, I see it as a diss to my people as well. Like you would too, no matter how realistic Nas dissing blacks for acting latino is. Which makes your accusation wrong and my explanation valid and understandable.
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My assumption: You're disgruntled because Nas can make comments towards Blacks, without being considered racist, while you can. True? Yes.
Your assumption: That I'd be upset if Nas downed Blacks for acting Latinos. True? No.
Blacks in New York, the Bay, Miami, Houston etc. all act similar to Latinos and vice versa. There is no problem with them acting like each other. NOW! If Latinos enslaved Blacks, like Whites did, it would be a different story. But, since the shoe isn't on the other foot, your "analogy" is lame, unrealistic and pointless.
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