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Were Rumsfeld and Bush really unaware of Detainee Torture?

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Ant:
If they were apparently everyone else in the government did a good job of keeping it secret.  Consider this story just released today that shows the FBI had known about the abuses, and had reported as early as December 2003.

Excerpts From NY Times:

F.B.I. memorandums portray abuse of prisoners by American military personnel in Iraq that included detainees' being beaten and choked and having lit cigarettes placed in their ears, according to newly released government documents.

The documents, released Monday in connection with a lawsuit accusing the government of being complicit in torture, also include accounts by Federal Bureau of Investigation agents who said they had seen detainees in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, being chained in uncomfortable positions for up to 24 hours and left to urinate and defecate on themselves. An agent wrote that in one case a detainee who was nearly unconscious had pulled out much of his hair during the night.

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The agent, whose name was deleted from the document, wrote on July 29, 2004: "On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves and had been left there for 18 24 hours or more."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/21/politics/21abuse.html?hp&ex=1103691600&en=d96e9999547b00c1&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Don Rizzle:
i can't believe rumsfeld has lasted this long i'll give him a fortnight, but then americans politicials don't have a culture of resigning when they fuck up bad.

Thirteen:
probably not, they're too busy planning the next terrorist attack on america  ::)

[sepehr]:
Messed up shit man...

Jimmy Cash2120:
i believe that the pres and vice pres were unaware

BUT someone had to know, one of the higher ups had to know what was going on

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