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Were Rumsfeld and Bush really unaware of Detainee Torture?

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BigBDrugStores:
who gives a shit. they tried to kill us./ we caught them. they got tourtured. end of story.
they probably didnt know because they probably didnt care.

King Tech Quadafi:

--- Quote from: East Coast G on December 21, 2004, 06:44:00 PM ---i believe that the pres and vice pres were unaware

BUT someone had to know, one of the higher ups had to know what was going on


--- End quote ---

lol..

Ant:

--- Quote from: BigBDrugStores on December 22, 2004, 02:16:40 PM ---who gives a shit. they tried to kill us./ we caught them. they got tourtured. end of story.
they probably didnt know because they probably didnt care.

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The people in those prisons were not necessarily trying to kill us, many of them were innocents due to the nature of the way in which we selected them for inclusion in the prison.  We basically just arrested anyone we thought was suspicious and took away their right to due process.  We have due process rights in the U.S. because of the high probability for wrongful arrests if you give police the freedom to arrest, and imprison whoever they please, without consequence.  The U.S. military had the authority to arrest, and imprison anyone they pleased for safety reasons, and while this is somewhat reasonable, its not reasonable to treat people you have arrested inhumanely to the extent these people have been treated.

Don Jacob:
they probably didn't know right away , it's not like there's a room full of tv's in the oval office with live footage from all camps that george bush, dick cheany, rice, and powell sit around watching making sure every single soldier is spreading truth justice and the american way......lol please. they probably knew a few before it was released to the press. I don't know why people are blaming the pres and rumsfield for this........i mean shit i can see if there was an official memo from the oval office saying "torture them rag heads"  but shit like this is bound to happen. 9 of my friends are in the marines and other armed services , after bootcamp you're not a very stable person and from what i hear there's shit that goes on worse than that WITHIN the ranks....

rafsta:
i think Bush knew, and even condoned it...

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