Pac's real sales figures...

[israelihiphop]

http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000741125

since death-18 million
Total- 24.4 million

this means that he sold most of his albums after his death...All Eyez on Me was only at 6 million when he died(was in Death Row's greatest hits CD), now it's like over 10 million...pretty amazing...Pac is definitely the GOAT...

[Ras Kass' Toothpick]

All Eyez On Me has sold between 4.5 and 5 million copies.

[GangstaBoogy]

are yall sayin that "All Eyez On Me" sold 6 mill, but "Get Rich or Die Tryin" sold 8 mill?

"wow" - mase

[Elevz]

This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.

[Ras Kass' Toothpick]

are yall sayin that "All Eyez On Me" sold 6 mill, but "Get Rich or Die Tryin" sold 8 mill?

"wow" - mase

I don't know who is saying that but Get Rich Or Die Tryin' did sell more copies than All Eyez On Me (6 million to 4.5 million).

[Don Seer]

with All Eyez On Me you gotta also factor in the fact that -some- sales figure systems count its sales as double... so it looks like a shit load of people bought it.. when really they didn't.

also... just want to add.. biggies double cd "life after death" also released around his death a year later was the first rap CD to go diamond!.. thats 10x plat

[ImmortalOne]

are yall sayin that "All Eyez On Me" sold 6 mill, but "Get Rich or Die Tryin" sold 8 mill?

"wow" - mase

I don't know who is saying that but Get Rich Or Die Tryin' did sell more copies than All Eyez On Me (6 million to 4.5 million).

It doesnt matter, All Eyez On Me IS still the listed as the higher selling album on ANY professional list of the best selling albums of all time.

The fact AEOM is a Diamond/near Diamond award album and Get Rich or Die Trying is NOT automatically makes AEOM the higher selling album, regardless of how many people bought 50's album.

Sorry, but album sales are measured by the multi-platinum level, not by actual units sold. Thats the way it works, and the way it always will be.

AEOM >>> GRODT, in both quality AND sales. End of story.

Also, keep in mind that when 50's album came out, it was like $9.99 almost everywhere.....AEOM is a $25 double cd. And the fact it is still on the catalog charts more than 8 years after its release and 50's album is NOT also speaks volumes about which album has stood the test of time better.

[ImmortalOne]

This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.

No, what does make him the GOAT is that people are still feelin him more than 8 years after his death, and the fact that almost every living MC names him as the goat or as a major influence at the very least. Today's rappers dont have that kind of impact or lasting ability. People will still be bangin Pac's songs 20 years from now.....for some reason, I cant picture that happening with cats like 50, Em, Chingy, Nelly, etc etc....I think they will all be long gone in a couple years time, and there will be a new "in/popular" rapper. Pac, on the otherhand, has already been cemented as an icon and the biggest legend in hip hop history. He much pretty much had that title even before his death, basically when AEOM came out.

Where you listening to hip hop in 96', when Pac was on top of the rap game?? I dont know if you were or if you werent, but In any case, I was there to see it, and he was HUGE.....bigger than 50 is now. When AEOM came out, the impact it had on the rap game was almost incalcuable, and it sold over 5 million in the first two months of its release alone....at a time when rap was far less popular/commercially acceptable than it is now. Also, he was the first artist EVER to have two #1 albums in the same year 1996), a feat that is often mistakenly and wrongly given to DMX.

[Don Jacob]

are yall sayin that "All Eyez On Me" sold 6 mill, but "Get Rich or Die Tryin" sold 8 mill?

"wow" - mase

I don't know who is saying that but Get Rich Or Die Tryin' did sell more copies than All Eyez On Me (6 million to 4.5 million).

It doesnt matter, All Eyez On Me IS still the listed as the higher selling album on ANY professional list of the best selling albums of all time.

The fact AEOM is a Diamond/near Diamond award album and Get Rich or Die Trying is NOT automatically makes AEOM the higher selling album, regardless of how many people bought 50's album.

Sorry, but album sales are measured by the multi-platinum level, not by actual units sold. Thats the way it works, and the way it always will be.

AEOM >>> GRODT, in both quality AND sales. End of story.

Also, keep in mind that when 50's album came out, it was like $9.99 almost everywhere.....AEOM is a $25 double cd. And the fact it is still on the catalog charts more than 8 years after its release and 50's album is NOT also speaks volumes about which album has stood the test of time better.

um actually grodt has sold more than all eyez on me when you count the actual numbers sold.........and also that's stupid  to say because pac's album is still selling 8 years from now and 50's isn't , neither album are contemporary with each other one album is damn near 10 years old and the other is 2! also if you're going to judge an album by how many units it still pushes GRODT is outselling all eyez on me. i love all eyez on me way more than get rich, but facts are facts, 50's debut had, has, and is outselling pac's best work.


and overseer you're wrong about biggie being the first to reach diamond status in hip hop terms, mc hammer was the first.......wether you consider mc hammer a great rapper or not he was still the first last and only real rapper to really sell that many units.

[Don Jacob]

This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.

Where you listening to hip hop in 96', when Pac was on top of the rap game?? I dont know if you were or if you werent, but In any case, I was there to see it, and he was HUGE.....bigger than 50 is now. When AEOM came out, the impact it had on the rap game was almost incalcuable, and it sold over 5 million in the first two months of its release alone....at a time when rap was far less popular/commercially acceptable than it is now.

lol bullshit

1.  50 is so much more popular now than pac was back in 96'.......pac wasn't even the most popular rapper back in 96' 

2. rap was JUST as accepted as it is now, maybe even more so , because rap is clouded or dilluded more with pop than ever, hip hop was at it's pinacle back in 94-98 as far as comercial success....during this time you had average rappers going 3 time platnum...there were more big numbers going up in the mid 90's than now, that's fact dude lol

[ImmortalOne]

This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.

Where you listening to hip hop in 96', when Pac was on top of the rap game?? I dont know if you were or if you werent, but In any case, I was there to see it, and he was HUGE.....bigger than 50 is now. When AEOM came out, the impact it had on the rap game was almost incalcuable, and it sold over 5 million in the first two months of its release alone....at a time when rap was far less popular/commercially acceptable than it is now.

lol bullshit

1.  50 is so much more popular now than pac was back in 96'.......pac wasn't even the most popular rapper back in 96' 

2. rap was JUST as accepted as it is now, maybe even more so , because rap is clouded or dilluded more with pop than ever, hip hop was at it's pinacle back in 94-98 as far as comercial success....during this time you had average rappers going 3 time platnum...there were more big numbers going up in the mid 90's than now, that's fact dude lol

Hahahaha, I think your living in a fantasy world. Let me drop some REAL knowledge for you.....learn it, and learn it well.

 You obviously werent listening to rap in 96'. Pac was BY FAR the most popular rapper in 96'........there was nobody even close. This aint even up for debate. AEOM was the highest selling rap album of 96', it had 6 singles (including two #1 hits), and the Makaveli album was also a #1 album and again, Pac was the first artist ever to have two #1 albums in the same year. Pac OWNED 96', and had he survived, he woulda owned 97', 98', 99', and beyond as well if he so desired to do so.....he was one album away from shutting down the entire rap game, and there was nobody who could stop him, the game was his for the taking. 96' was just the beginning of his hour.

When 50 makes two #1 albums in the same year, does two movies, records over 300 songs, and is involved in the biggest beef in hip hop history and takes on a whole coast single handedly, then maybe he will have been bigger than Pac......until then, NADA. Also, 50's album didnt have any impact or influence at all, it just sold mad units. AEOM changed the entire rap game and created a new formula for other rappers to follow, including 50 himself. That album is the REAL blueprint, the album every mainstream hardcore rapper today dreams of making. 50 was perhaps bigger than Pac was in 94' or even 95', but nowhere near as big as Pac was in 96'.

And hell no rap wasnt at its commercial peak in 94'-98....it was at its ARTISTIC peak, yes, but not its commercial peak. Back then, there were no such thing as rappers who sold a million in the first week or 8 million overall (Snoop came the closest with Doggystyle's 800,000 and I think Pac sold about 700,000 with Makaveli in their first week respectively). Rap is far more commercially accepted by the general public today then it was 10 years ago....that is most definatly a fact. If 50 and Em came out in 94-96' (if they would have been able to come out at all, since back then you actually had to have TALENT to get signed to a label), they wouldnt push nearly the same units they do today.

[Don Jacob]

This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.

Where you listening to hip hop in 96', when Pac was on top of the rap game?? I dont know if you were or if you werent, but In any case, I was there to see it, and he was HUGE.....bigger than 50 is now. When AEOM came out, the impact it had on the rap game was almost incalcuable, and it sold over 5 million in the first two months of its release alone....at a time when rap was far less popular/commercially acceptable than it is now.

lol bullshit

1.  50 is so much more popular now than pac was back in 96'.......pac wasn't even the most popular rapper back in 96' 

2. rap was JUST as accepted as it is now, maybe even more so , because rap is clouded or dilluded more with pop than ever, hip hop was at it's pinacle back in 94-98 as far as comercial success....during this time you had average rappers going 3 time platnum...there were more big numbers going up in the mid 90's than now, that's fact dude lol

Hahahaha, I think your living in a fantasy world. Let me drop some REAL knowledge for you.....learn it, and learn it well.

 You obviously werent listening to rap in 96'. Pac was BY FAR the most popular rapper in 96'........there was nobody even close. This aint even up for debate. AEOM was the highest selling rap album of 96', it had 6 singles (including two #1 hits), and the Makaveli album was also a #1 album and again, Pac was the first artist ever to have two #1 albums in the same year. Pac OWNED 96', and had he survived, he woulda owned 97', 98', 99', and beyond as well if he so desired to do so.....he was one album away from shutting down the entire rap game, and there was nobody who could stop him, the game was his for the taking. 96' was just the beginning of his hour.

When 50 makes two #1 albums in the same year, does two movies, records over 300 songs, and is involved in the biggest beef in hip hop history and takes on a whole coast single handedly, then maybe he will have been bigger than Pac......until then, NADA. Also, 50's album didnt have any impact or influence at all, it just sold mad units. AEOM changed the entire rap game and created a new formula for other rappers to follow, including 50 himself. That album is the REAL blueprint, the album every mainstream hardcore rapper today dreams of making. 50 was perhaps bigger than Pac was in 94' or even 95', but nowhere near as big as Pac was in 96'.

And hell no rap wasnt at its commercial peak in 94'-98....it was at its ARTISTIC peak, yes, but not its commercial peak. Back then, there were no such thing as rappers who sold a million in the first week or 8 million overall (Snoop came the closest with Doggystyle's 800,000 and I think Pac sold about 700,000 with Makaveli in their first week respectively). Rap is far more commercially accepted by the general public today then it was 10 years ago....that is most definatly a fact. If 50 and Em came out in 94-96' (if they would have been able to come out at all, since back then you actually had to have TALENT to get signed to a label), they wouldnt push nearly the same units they do today.

uhh actually all i listened to was rap back in 96' and  96' is my favorite year in music

1. 2pac sold a lot in 96' but the fugees and bone sold more. 2pac didn't REALLY start selling albums until after his death, AEOM and me against the world shot up the charts after he died in october of 96' and pac started getting REALLY popular in 97' and through out the years. Pac didn't own 96' check any award show MTV, Billboard, American Music, Grammy, ect. if you own that year you are all over those......the biggest thing pac did on these shows was introduce Kiss and give metallica an award for best hard rock video.  compare that shit to 50 cent selling more in one month than both aeom and makaveli did put together in one month......i love pac and don't really like 50 but 50 is more popular now than pac was in 96 AND 97' , pac Definately had a better album(s) and was a better rapper i'm not debateing that  but there is NOoooooooooooo way he is more popular......50's got his own shoes, clothing line, ect. this argument isn't about who's album is more influencial or who's a better rapper or how hard pac worked , the title is units, and MR. G units best selling album has outsold pac's best selling album....PLAIN AND SIMPLE

2. and yes rap sold more back in the day , everyone who came out with an album that was on mtv had at LEAST a triple platnum album............now a days the only rappers who move big units are Em Nelly  50 and Outkast

back in the day you had snoop going 6 mil , bone going 5 -6 mil coolio going 3-4 mil  pac selling 5 mil and every other rapper in between going 2 -3 million look at the charts in the mid 90's and see how many multi platnum awards that were given out  then look at the charts now......

[ImmortalOne]

All I know is, "All Eyez On Me" went Diamond, "Get Rich or Die Trying" did NOT go Diamond......On ANY professional list Pac's album will be listed as the better selling album.

I couldnt care less about award shows and who has their own clothing line and what not......none of that means anything to me. Im talking about THE MUSIC here, and the impact it had. Musically speaking, Pac was HUGE in 96'.....again, AEOM was the best selling rap album of 96', and it was an album that changed up the entire rap game. It sold almost 7 million BEFORE his death, and then another 2-3 million afterward. 50's album had absolutly no impact or influence on the game whatsoever. It just sold alot. He didnt create any new formulas or trends for other rappers to follow, nor did he change the rap game in any way, shape or form as Pac did in 96'. 50's album was quite forgettable and was not used as a blueprint for making other albums, whereareas All Eyez On Me was/still is.

Also, somebody has yet to come up with a refutation that Pac was the first artist in ANY genre to have two #1 albums in the same year.

[Machiavelli]

Word at Hellrazor...guy knows the facts

[Danté Williams]

Str8 from the RIAA:

2 PAC   ALL EYEZ ON ME   06/18/98   DEATH ROW/POLYGRAM   M (9)   ALBUM   SOLO   Std
50 CENT   GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN'   12/09/03   AFTERMATH / INTERSCOPE   M (6)   ALBUM   SOLO   Std