Dre Had A Nice Quotable About Debut Artists/Game, In Vibe, Discussion Here..

[TraceOneInfinite]

Dre had interesting quote about the label pushing him on release dates in the new Vibe (Game cover) issue that I think is worth discussion.

-Dre's quote- "I'll give them the album when I'm ready, and they'll be glad they waited, because I'm trying to biuld his carear, and if this album isn't right, he's finished!"-

That's the truth.  No doubt.  You might as well take 4 years to complete a debut album, because if your debut record is hot and blows up, you can spend years making easy money after that.

Check it, let me give you an example.  Snoop Doggy Dogg.  His debut record was classic.  Since then, yeah, he's had records that true West Coast Heads love and respect, but outside of that, he hasn't done anything special.  Yet, because of the name recognition he established after his debut record, his been able to go platinum on every album for almost 10 years now!

Other examples... Look at Jay-Z, Nas.  Their first albums didn't blow up in sales, but they were hip-hop classics, and because of the name recognition they established off those records they've been able to go platinum with every time since, even on their wack records.

Then look at Truth Hurts.  She's finished.  Her album was alright.  But it wasn't great enough for her to establish any name recognition.  She would have to create it all over again if she came with a second album, and Dre ain't up to that task.  Dre's into working hard, and making one great record for an artist, and cashing in on the easy money after that.

[topshotta]

good point homie

[Bo$ta Bo$$]

True

[Sikotic™]

Can't argue with that. Especially the Snoop example. Off of that one album, he beca,e a west coast legend.

[Nima - Dubcnn.com]

Can't argue with that. Especially the Snoop example. Off of that one album, he beca,e a west coast legend.

[Westside Soldier]

True

i agree with that.

[GangstaBoogy]

yeah I wouldnt doubt Dre's judgement

[Danté Williams]

I disagree.

It's always easier if you have a BIG debut album, but your career is nowhere finished if it flops. That's bullshit. Anyone heard about a guy named 2pac? Jay-Z only sold gold with "Reasonable Doubt" and I don't think that ended his career. "Illmatic" sold gold too. I don't understand how can you be a hiphop classic before your first album.  The Fugees debut didn't even go gold, and look what they sold later - not only with "The Score" but on their solo albums. Twista, Sean Paul, Shaggy...

And how many artists sell millions of their debut and flop after that? I think Mase is a good example, we all know lots.

Of course a top-selling debut can change a lot, but that's no way a rule, and there's as much cases of Snoop Doggy Doggs (I agree with that, he's still selling out of Doggystyle fame) as Fugees.

To me, that Dre line means "I did half of his album, and if he flops I don't wanna take no responsabilities (if he goes diamond, I'll keep appearing in his videos to get my props tho)".

[Elevz]

I disagree.

It's always easier if you have a BIG debut album, but your career is nowhere finished if it flops. That's bullshit. Anyone heard about a guy named 2pac? Jay-Z only sold gold with "Reasonable Doubt" and I don't think that ended his career. "Illmatic" sold gold too. I don't understand how can you be a hiphop classic before your first album.  The Fugees debut didn't even go gold, and look what they sold later - not only with "The Score" but on their solo albums. Twista, Sean Paul, Shaggy...

And how many artists sell millions of their debut and flop after that? I think Mase is a good example, we all know lots.

Of course a top-selling debut can change a lot, but that's no way a rule, and there's as much cases of Snoop Doggy Doggs (I agree with that, he's still selling out of Doggystyle fame) as Fugees.

To me, that Dre line means "I did half of his album, and if he flops I don't wanna take no responsabilities (if he goes diamond, I'll keep appearing in his videos to get my props tho)".

I agree with most you said there. There's one thing though... A debut album is the perfect chance for an artist to establish a long career. If the debut album fails, that's a true fucking waste and it will be a lot of work for the artist and the producers to do it right the next time. It doesn't immediately end an artist's career, but to Dre it's too much effort to start working the same artist again, knowing he failed last time. Dre isn't patient enough for that - he's got more stuff to do. If Game had failed on The Documentary, Dre would've dropped him like a brick and Game would have had to go looking for another label for future support.

[Noname]

Dre can make almost any1 a succes.

[_That_Cracka_J]

On point.

[Tha G In Deee]

Dre had interesting quote about the label pushing him on release dates in the new Vibe (Game cover) issue that I think is worth discussion.

-Dre's quote- "I'll give them the album when I'm ready, and they'll be glad they waited, because I'm trying to biuld his carear, and if this album isn't right, he's finished!"-

That's the truth.  No doubt.  You might as well take 4 years to complete a debut album, because if your debut record is hot and blows up, you can spend years making easy money after that.

Check it, let me give you an example.  Snoop Doggy Dogg.  His debut record was classic.  Since then, yeah, he's had records that true West Coast Heads love and respect, but outside of that, he hasn't done anything special.  Yet, because of the name recognition he established after his debut record, his been able to go platinum on every album for almost 10 years now!

Other examples... Look at Jay-Z, Nas.  Their first albums didn't blow up in sales, but they were hip-hop classics, and because of the name recognition they established off those records they've been able to go platinum with every time since, even on their wack records.

Then look at Truth Hurts.  She's finished.  Her album was alright.  But it wasn't great enough for her to establish any name recognition.  She would have to create it all over again if she came with a second album, and Dre ain't up to that task.  Dre's into working hard, and making one great record for an artist, and cashing in on the easy money after that.

i agree with that, especially about Jay-Z/Nas & Snoop

[Murrow]

But look, Snoops was huge and Dre and him did Doggystyle in like a short span I dunno it was a few months or a few weeks but it was less than a year for sure.  Now 50 is a different example because he was on another label and didnt blow up as much but with Dre he did cause he has patience,


DRE REALLY NEEDS TO TAKE TIME TO PRODUCE FULL RECORDS ONE HE DROPS HIS FINAL SOLO

[TraceOneInfinite]

I disagree.

It's always easier if you have a BIG debut album, but your career is nowhere finished if it flops. That's bullshit. Anyone heard about a guy named 2pac? Jay-Z only sold gold with "Reasonable Doubt" and I don't think that ended his career. "Illmatic" sold gold too. I don't understand how can you be a hiphop classic before your first album.  The Fugees debut didn't even go gold, and look what they sold later - not only with "The Score" but on their solo albums. Twista, Sean Paul, Shaggy...

And how many artists sell millions of their debut and flop after that? I think Mase is a good example, we all know lots.

Of course a top-selling debut can change a lot, but that's no way a rule, and there's as much cases of Snoop Doggy Doggs (I agree with that, he's still selling out of Doggystyle fame) as Fugees.

To me, that Dre line means "I did half of his album, and if he flops I don't wanna take no responsabilities (if he goes diamond, I'll keep appearing in his videos to get my props tho)".

Even though Jay-Z and Nas failed to go platinum in record sales on their first albums, those records are hip-hop classics!  Therefore, they established their name and music carears on those records even though they didn't go platinum, and because of that they've been making easy money ever since. 

2pac was one of those rare artists who got better with every album.  The Makevelli record was a significant improvement from "2pacalypse Now".  But don't forget, he was also playing off the synergy of his budding movie carear ("Jiuce") by the time his second album dropped.

The point I want to make is that if you have a great first album, even if it doesn't blow up in sales, but if you have a classic first album, you can establish your name and make easy money after that.  If your first album fails, then you got to go back to the drawing board and start all over again trying to biuld your carear on the second album, which sometimes isn't worth it. 

[TraceOneInfinite]

But look, Snoops was huge and Dre and him did Doggystyle in like a short span I dunno it was a few months or a few weeks but it was less than a year for sure.  Now 50 is a different example because he was on another label and didnt blow up as much but with Dre he did cause he has patience,


DRE REALLY NEEDS TO TAKE TIME TO PRODUCE FULL RECORDS ONE HE DROPS HIS FINAL SOLO

This is a common misconception about Dre.  Don't expect him to ever produce another album from top to bottom!  He's never done it before, so why do it again?  You may say, well, what about Doggystyle, or the Chronic, or those NWA albums, or 2001?   My answer is, Daz and Warren G did half the production work on Doggystyle and the Chronic, Yella and Above the Law did part of the production work in the NWA days, and Mel-Man did half the work on "2001".  Dre never really was the type to produce a whole album from top to bottom.  He's had a lot of allegations placed on him through the years about carrying ghost producers and not giving them their due credit for their work.  Maybe when he used carry the lion share of production back when he was younger, with NWA and Wrecking Cru, before he had a mansion and 20 cars, snowmobiles and ski's and groceries for his family.  But now, don't expect him to handle the production of a whole album on his own.