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Thirteen:
just like it's legal for me to have 4 beers and drive my car but at 6-7 beers i might be breaking the law....when done in moderation and within guidelines it's fair

i don't see anything wrong with sleep and food deprivation and stress positions to interrogate prisoners....tying them up to electrodes sicking dogs or taking food deprivation too far is where i draw the line

Don Rizzle:
personally i don't really disagree with torture in the case of national security but for no other reason but there should be limits on how far to go. however since we signed up to these agreements against torture we should abide by them.

Ant:

--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 03, 2005, 09:12:49 AM ---just like it's legal for me to have 4 beers and drive my car but at 6-7 beers i might be breaking the law....when done in moderation and within guidelines it's fair

i don't see anything wrong with sleep and food deprivation and stress positions to interrogate prisoners....tying them up to electrodes sicking dogs or taking food deprivation too far is where i draw the line

--- End quote ---

I think you need to re-read my initial post then because these people aren't merely condoning the use of sleep deprivation. We were sodomizing, burning, and beating people (you can see previous stories I've cited for examples).  A.G. wrote to the president that the Geneva Accords were 'obsolete' and only Colin Powell disagreed. According to A.G. its entirely legal to treat detainees in a "cruel, inhumane, and degrading" manner.  If you continue to support this administration you imply your support of torture there is no way around it.   

Thirteen:
do you read what you write? you stated:

According to Alberto Gonzales an act against a detainee can only be considered an act of torture IF it is "equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death."

the key word here being equivalent... now don't you think burning someone and sodomizing is equivalently painful to serious bodily harm? as for beatings....well they occur not only in the military but also in law enforcement... if they come to light they are often made into criminal charges...i have to admit i don't know a single political figure that stuck up for the torture in abu gharib but i guess you have a secret source that says otherwise...wait..no you don't.

and i see you falling back again on the Geneva Convention which is an agreement between COUNTRIES not countries and terrorists...you should do some research on the geneva convention since you obviously don't have a clue what it's used for

then you stoop to quoting A.G.?!? are you sane? according to A.G.??? you're a comedian.... A.G. works at a supermarket or some shit...what's his source? the national enquirer?

but anyways i don't listen to a thing you say because you're obsessed...you're twisting a person's words to suit your own needs...you've transcended your original purpose of spreading knowledge and perverted it into some crusade against republicans... i sincerly hope you get the medical attention you deserve or that you go on a shooting spree and get gunned down

Ant:
A.G. = Alberto Gonzales = the Bush choice for Attorney General


--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 03, 2005, 04:41:25 PM ---do you read what you write? you stated:

According to Alberto Gonzales an act against a detainee can only be considered an act of torture IF it is "equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death."

the key word here being equivalent... now don't you think burning someone and sodomizing is equivalently painful to serious bodily harm?

--- End quote ---

I pointed out the foolishness of the A.G. definition of torture. If you think sodomy is ok because it isn't going to kill someone, then in my book you support and condone torture unless I'm misunderstanding you. 

I'm not spreading foolishness sadly I'm spreading the truth.  Republicans voted today to confirm Alberto Gonzales.  Democrats (minus a few)voted against him for the reasons I've outlined.  If you support Bush you accept the Bush definition on torture, and you find it acceptable to treat humans in a "cruel, inhumane, and degrading manner." If you don't consider that torture then so be it, but the majority of the world stands on my side of the argument.

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