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Bush and Republicans Endorse Torture
Ant:
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 02, 2005, 09:12:18 PM ---i just did another search and found Interrogation rules fall under the Rules Of Engagement and most are considered classified...that would explain why in all these news posts they don't refer you to some publication
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fine, then show me the news posts you are referring to or wherever it is you learned that this definition has been used for decades and these practices have always been acceptable.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Ant on February 02, 2005, 09:27:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 02, 2005, 09:12:18 PM ---i just did another search and found Interrogation rules fall under the Rules Of Engagement and most are considered classified...that would explain why in all these news posts they don't refer you to some publication
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fine, then show me the news posts you are referring to or wherever it is you learned that this definition has been used for decades and these practices have always been acceptable.
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well since they are classified, i can't just sit here at home and find out the date, so you'll have to wait for that... as for the uses....have you ever heard of prisoner incidents until this year? well that's because technology and some retards teamed up to make america look stupid... ask any vietnam vet and they'll tell you the things that were done to the VC without any repercussions
Ant:
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 02, 2005, 09:36:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on February 02, 2005, 09:27:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 02, 2005, 09:12:18 PM ---i just did another search and found Interrogation rules fall under the Rules Of Engagement and most are considered classified...that would explain why in all these news posts they don't refer you to some publication
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fine, then show me the news posts you are referring to or wherever it is you learned that this definition has been used for decades and these practices have always been acceptable.
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well since they are classified, i can't just sit here at home and find out the date, so you'll have to wait for that... as for the uses....have you ever heard of prisoner incidents until this year? well that's because technology and some retards teamed up to make america look stupid... ask any vietnam vet and they'll tell you the things that were done to the VC without any repercussions
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So if they are classified and you can't produce them how do you know about them? You stated as a fact that the gonzales definition for torture has been american policy for decades now, but you have nothing to back it up. Also, while unfortunate things have have happened in vietnam these things were not legal then, and they are not legal now. Remember, ironically it was John Kerry who stood in front of the U.S. senate and brought these issues to light. The republican side spent years calling him a traitor and claiming he lied to the American poeple. The Swift Boats ran an ad about it in 2004. Now today you tell me that if you ask anyone who was in vietnam they can tell you torture occured there as well. I don't doubt that some extremely inhumane acts occured there as well, but these types of acts were not legal then, and are not legal now. Unfortunately, the republicans took the same side then as they do now. They said Kerry was a traitor, he was lying and slandering our troops.. you called the people who shot these photos 'retards' and claimed they were trying to embarass America.
So anyways, rather than arguing with me about it anymore just state your position clearly. I am inclined to believe that you support and/or condone the use of torture. If that is the case then simply say so.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Ant on February 03, 2005, 06:58:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 02, 2005, 09:36:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on February 02, 2005, 09:27:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 02, 2005, 09:12:18 PM ---i just did another search and found Interrogation rules fall under the Rules Of Engagement and most are considered classified...that would explain why in all these news posts they don't refer you to some publication
--- End quote ---
fine, then show me the news posts you are referring to or wherever it is you learned that this definition has been used for decades and these practices have always been acceptable.
--- End quote ---
well since they are classified, i can't just sit here at home and find out the date, so you'll have to wait for that... as for the uses....have you ever heard of prisoner incidents until this year? well that's because technology and some retards teamed up to make america look stupid... ask any vietnam vet and they'll tell you the things that were done to the VC without any repercussions
--- End quote ---
So if they are classified and you can't produce them how do you know about them? You stated as a fact that the gonzales definition for torture has been american policy for decades now, but you have nothing to back it up. Also, while unfortunate things have have happened in vietnam these things were not legal then, and they are not legal now. Remember, ironically it was John Kerry who stood in front of the U.S. senate and brought these issues to light. The republican side spent years calling him a traitor and claiming he lied to the American poeple. The Swift Boats ran an ad about it in 2004. Now today you tell me that if you ask anyone who was in vietnam they can tell you torture occured there as well. I don't doubt that some extremely inhumane acts occured there as well, but these types of acts were not legal then, and are not legal now. Unfortunately, the republicans took the same side then as they do now. They said Kerry was a traitor, he was lying and slandering our troops.. you called the people who shot these photos 'retards' and claimed they were trying to embarass America.
So anyways, rather than arguing with me about it anymore just state your position clearly. I am inclined to believe that you support and/or condone the use of torture. If that is the case then simply say so.
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i carry a Top Secret clearance in the US government and i'm also apart of a Naval Combat Unit...that's how i know about certain things...
the means of interrogation....food and sleep deprivation, stress positions among other things have been practiced for years, they even use these to a small degree in boot camp (except food deprivation) the fact that people have taken these acts overboard for years is proof enough that they've existed for a long time...i don't understand how you think that simple tactics like those three listed above just came to existence recently
finally the most recent poeple that have been tried for torture are retards because they commited crime and took pictures while doing it leading to their arrest and conviction....you don't get any more retarded than that. not only did they know what they were doing was wrong, the recoded it for all of history
Ant:
how is torture a crime and legal at the same time? do you support the use of cruel, inhuman, and degtading acts as a means of coercion? just say so if you do.
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