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What is the metric of success for the Iraqi elections?
Thirteen:
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--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 06, 2005, 09:30:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: O.G. Techniec on February 06, 2005, 09:21:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 06, 2005, 08:23:08 PM ---i'd say the metric of success is people risking their life trying to accomplish something better without resorting to violence
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???
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what? you don't think it's a noble cause for people to do what they believe in despite the overcomming threat of violence and without the need to resort to violent acts? i think what these people did is admirable... lord knows i wouldn't have voted for bush if people were saying they were going to bomb the shit out of my local firehall
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no one is suggesting what the Iraqis did wasn't admirable. But still there were a number of ignored problems with this election. I'm not going to restate myself, so go back and re-read my post. As far as your metric, people showing up just isn't enough. Of course some people were going to show up and vote. If thats the highest you set the bar for achievement no wonder Republicans still support Bush.
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some people... try 1/2 of the country.... you act like this was you going to the grocery store... these people had their lives threatened... they didn't know if after they flipped that lever if a car was gonna drive through the building and kill them. nice try to down play this but like i said, before you question someone, put yourself in their shoes
Ant:
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 07, 2005, 09:22:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on February 07, 2005, 06:58:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 06, 2005, 09:30:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: O.G. Techniec on February 06, 2005, 09:21:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Needles Kane on February 06, 2005, 08:23:08 PM ---i'd say the metric of success is people risking their life trying to accomplish something better without resorting to violence
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???
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what? you don't think it's a noble cause for people to do what they believe in despite the overcomming threat of violence and without the need to resort to violent acts? i think what these people did is admirable... lord knows i wouldn't have voted for bush if people were saying they were going to bomb the shit out of my local firehall
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no one is suggesting what the Iraqis did wasn't admirable. But still there were a number of ignored problems with this election. I'm not going to restate myself, so go back and re-read my post. As far as your metric, people showing up just isn't enough. Of course some people were going to show up and vote. If thats the highest you set the bar for achievement no wonder Republicans still support Bush.
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some people... try 1/2 of the country.... you act like this was you going to the grocery store... these people had their lives threatened... they didn't know if after they flipped that lever if a car was gonna drive through the building and kill them. nice try to down play this but like i said, before you question someone, put yourself in their shoes
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You have a hard time reading and its getting annoying. Since you are unwilling to 'scroll up' to my original post I guess I have to restate a few things for you hear. Hopefully, having saved you the trouble of scrolling to the top of this thread, you will actual read what I have written.
1. You, and other republicans in this thread, repeatedly use unverifiable numbers for turn-out. I pointed out in my original post that no one knows the actual turn-out numbers yet, and so-far the media has only repeated an unverifiable number given to them by the Bush administration.
2. One poll showed 50% of the Iraqi population thought they were voting for their new President when in fact they were not. I wouldn't be surpised if you were one of the many people in America that thought Iraqis were voting for a President, when in fact they were voting for a National Assembly.
3. Virtually every voter had almost no information on the candidates before going to the polls. Essentially, the entire population voted blind. About 6 candidates were assasinated leading up to the election, and most candidates, in fear of losing their lives did not announce their candidacy until a few days before the election, or in some cases on the day of the election. Of course maybe this isn't a big issue to you, since you, like many other American voters, think its entirely acceptable to essentially vote blind and argue the issues without any background knowledge.
Anyways, let me restate, if your metric for success is an election where:
1. Perhaps somewhere around 50% of the population votes blind without knowing a) the candidates or b) that they weren't voting for the president.
2. Only 60 or so people actually die on election day.
Then, by all means you are entitled to your opinion. As I said in my first post, success is a subjective idea. However, I would suggest that had your metric been applied across the board and extended to other nations the long-term success of a democratic system would be fragile at best.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: O.G. Techniec on February 07, 2005, 08:34:43 PM ---being prepped on what too say when hes in court
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Do the lack of WMDs make a great case for him? I think it'd be hillarious if he were to be aquitted then run and win the next Iraq election, just to here what Bush's response to wrong war wrong place wrong time this time around.
Ant:
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 08, 2005, 08:33:25 AM ---
--- Quote from: O.G. Techniec on February 07, 2005, 08:34:43 PM ---being prepped on what too say when hes in court
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Do the lack of WMDs make a great case for him? I think it'd be hillarious if he were to be aquitted then run and win the next Iraq election, just to here what Bush's response to wrong war wrong place wrong time this time around.
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Probably not. I doubt he will be acquitted. He did a lot of horrible things, and he certainly would never win another iraqi election.
Rampant:
....Saddam isn't on trial for WMD.
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